28 responses

  1. Tavdy
    August 29, 2008

    God hates fags; God hates fag-enablers; God hates Colorado; God hates America, God hates the world…

    For someone who is claimed to be Love, God does a hell of a lot of hating!

  2. Jason D
    August 29, 2008

    Oh my, Shirley!

    Why is Shirley Phelps-Roper starting to sound like Betty Bowers: America’s Best Christian

    Seriously, that has to be the sweetest way of saying “oh my, you’re doomed, punkin!”
    It’s like fire and brimstone with a tall glass of saccharin.

  3. Jarred
    August 29, 2008

    I’m with Tavdy. I also have to point out one line from Shirley’s response:

    “They are busy hating each other, when the Lord their God has commended them to LOVE each other!”

    There are probably situations more ironic than a prominent WBC member criticizing others for hating others rather than loving them as God commanded, but I’d have a hard time suggesting any.

  4. Timothy Kincaid
    August 29, 2008

    Sigh. And here I thought that California was the land of the Sodomite Damned. I’m so disappointed.

  5. Rob
    August 29, 2008

    Actually, at least according to the WBC, Canada is the home of the Sodomite Damned, because we have SSM, AND we had the nerve to deny the WBC entrance to the country to set up their oh so entertaining pickets at the funeral of a young man tragically murdered then beheaded on a bus.

    I think it’s because we have more sodomites and we are more damned.

  6. Jarred
    August 29, 2008

    Take heart, everyone! The truth is, it’s all the home of the Sodomite Damned! Basically, if you’re not living in the WBC compound, you can rest in the comfort that you are firmly entrenched in the home of the Sodomite Damned.

  7. Rob
    August 29, 2008

    Perhaps we should re-model the kitchen…. ;-)

  8. Patrick
    August 29, 2008

    “Your best friend,
    Shirley Phelps-Roper”
    “Oh – please do stop and visit – any friend of Jeremy’s is a friend of mine!”
    Crikey! Doesn’t she remember Dan(iel)is her best friend? She obviously has the attention span of a gnat, she doen’t even remember what she wrote in the same letter…as she is writing it. How can anyone (including Shirley) take her seriously?

  9. larry
    August 29, 2008

    I hear more than one person speaking when I read her letter. There is clearly more than one personality in Shirley Phelps’ psyche. Back in the Bible times, they considered this a demonic possession, but it was and is actually a tragic case of mental illness.

  10. Erica
    August 29, 2008

    “Colorado University of Perverts”? Wish I’d know that existed when I was applying to schools…

    I agree with Jason, it’s rare to see a state (or really anything) damned so cheerfully. It’s like being attacked by a horde of rabid Disney cartoon chipmunks… surreal.

  11. Rick Brentlinger
    August 29, 2008

    1800+ words and nothing said about the grace of God – very strange.

    Has “Sister” Shirley ever read Matthew 22:36-40 or Romans 13:8-10 or I Corinthians 13?

    According to Jesus and Paul, love should mediate our interactions with each other.

    The grace of God is stronger than wacky Phelpsian ranting – click my name above for proof.

    Rick Brentlinger

  12. John
    August 29, 2008

    I read a detailed rundown of the Phelps family history done by a Kansas newspaper a few years ago. I can’t find it now on the web.

    It was a very sad story about abuse and exploitation. These people have been subjected to more craziness than you could imagine. Even without knowing anything about the family’s background, it is hard even to pay the most passing attention to this group and not sense just how pathetic they are. But the more you do know about them, the more pathetic they appear.

    We’ll see what happens with this family when the father is dead and gone for a while.

  13. Charles Lanigan
    August 29, 2008

    Wow, sounds like gibberish to me. What a freak!

  14. Michael
    August 29, 2008

    And to think I live in San Francisco! Livin’ la vida dammned!
    The question I always want to ask WBC is how they can afford to travel like they do. As far as I know it’s an incestuous little family group and they’re all lawyers, but, still, it costs lots of the Almighty dollar to ferry them from funeral to funeral. Where does all the money come from? Do they own any business?

  15. Jason D
    August 29, 2008

    John, you might be thinking of “addicted to hate” which is more an unlicensed autobiography of Fred Phelps. Unfortunately Fred was able to harass and sue the writer until it simply could not be published, but it does exist on the internet.

    Michael, a lot of the early Phelps money came from frivalous lawsuits and forcing the kids to sell candy. I don’t know what they do now.

  16. John
    August 29, 2008

    Jason D. Actually I wasn’t thinking of “addicted to hate.”

    I did find the thing I was thinking of at the following web address: http://cjonline.com/webindepth/phelps/

    I haven’t read this in a long time (and my memory is of this thing being differently organized) but it is a complilation of articles and other things put together by the Topeka Capitol Journal in Topeka, Kansas.

  17. Lynn David
    August 29, 2008

    My first encounter with the Phelps was in Lawrence, KS, about 1984/5 where I believe they were picketting the school (Univ Kansas) over its abortion policy or a women’s clinic on the outskirts of the university. I was rather taken aback at the few anti-gay signs mixed in not to mention the profanity. It abused my sensibilities. Luckily I had a somewhat progressive Baptist minister to speak with at my uncle’s funeral in KCMO (his brother). I’m just glad it wasn’t a Catholic priest or I might have been compelled to confess, repent and be degayed.

  18. cowboy
    August 29, 2008

    John,

    I read the long Phelps’ expose’ a couple of years ago. It’s fascinating reading. You come away feeling pity for the family.

    Reading it helped me understand where they get all the money to travel to all those protests. They know how the legal system works…they made most of their money from winning nefarious lawsuits. And yet, they criticize the very system that made them rich.

    But perhaps the most telling part for me is the potty-mouth language these people use. As religious people they have a peculiar way with a predilection for using graphic foul language. Shirley could make a longshoreman/sailor/prison-inmate blush. By their fruits you shall know them…and most of their fruit is spoiled and rotten.

    Plus, you will note the elder patriarch Phelps lately is having some issues with mental health. It’s not surprising. It is not surprisingly that amount of raging anger chronically coursing through his brain is bound to eventually have some negative consequences.

  19. David
    August 30, 2008

    Some shrink could get very wealthy, even providing treatment at half price.

    It reminds me of some of the homeless people I used to hear talking to themselves – incoherent, self-contradicting, rambling off onto tangent after tangent, as if there was no sense of self in charge.

    Darn it, you’ve made me feel sorry for her.

  20. Shirley Phelps-Roper
    August 31, 2008

    You undiciplined brutes. The LOVE of God is reserved for the penitent – NOT the rebels. If you do not repent – that is – change your mind and change your conduct, you have NO right to discuss the love of God.

    Paul is talking about the way servants of God must love one another. Other than that, Christ and every other writer of the scriptures agree on this – you must love your neighbor as yourself and your enemy and everyone and God told you what that looks like. It is getting out in the public places and warning them to flee from the wrath to come – warning them that their sin will take them to hell! If you don’t do that, you hate each other in your hearts! You can’t change that – God did that! It is HIS work and it is HIS standards that rule!

    So – from this happy and thankful servant of God, I warn you again – OBEY YOUR GOD!! Put away your filthy manner of life – shut your mouth and OBEY YOUR GOD! Hell is real – ask Matt!

    Your best friend,

    Shirley Phelps-Roper
    8/31/08

  21. Priya Lynn
    August 31, 2008

    Relax Shirley, gay people have every bit as much right to discuss the love of god as you do. Gay people don’t hate each other, hate is your bag.

  22. Duncan
    September 1, 2008

    If you replace all the mentions of the Supreme Being (obey, love of etc) in Shirley’s post with ‘me’, it starts to make sense.

  23. Michael
    September 1, 2008

    Dear Sailor Tongued Shirley,
    From this happy and thankful gay man, “I warn you again – OBEY YOUR GOD!! Put away your filthy manner of life – shut your mouth and OBEY YOUR GOD! Hell is real” – ask Jessie. Hell, ask poppa Fred about the hell he’s slipping into.
    Consider this a small part of my “getting out in the public places and warning (you) to flee from the wrath to come” you naughty girl.

  24. Emily K
    September 1, 2008

    I can’t ask Matt anything because he’s in Heaven now with Harvey Milk, Jonathan and David, and saints Sergius and Bacchus.

  25. Ben in Oakland
    September 3, 2008

    Gee, shirley. I can just feel the love.

    But i’m not an undisciplined brute. I just haven’t been subject to YOUR discipline. but then, neither have you.

    I would hate to live my life in the emotional roil that is your life. That must just wear you out. Just reading your spew wears me out.

  26. Ben in Oakland
    September 3, 2008

    Dear Shirley;

    You’re right. I am an undisciplined brute. I have so much real work to do, and I promised myself that today I wouldn’t write. but here I am, anyway, because I actually have an opportunity to communicate with one of the extremely rare but depressingly visible Phelps Clan (genus: primate. Species: HOMO non-sapiens: variety: ignoramus invincit) hoping you’ll return to a website full of the people you love to hate– and clearly hate to love– and read my efforts.

    I think you will, of course. One thing I have noticed in these blogs is the persistence of the desire on the parts of the moralizers and condemners to hang around and gaze at the sodomites. So many of you are so clearly fascinated by what you see. Titillated, even, just a teeny WEENY bit.

    Or wallowing in it. That’s my theory.

    Stephen Donaldson had an interesting definition of corruption, moral corruption. Corruption is becoming that which you hate. When you wallow in what you conceive of as our ‘filth’, you get to be a pig without ever having to take a bath afterwards. I wish I could manage that level of self-delusion, But you know, I really can’t convince myself that when I am standing knee deep in pig-crap that I’m really smelling the Rose of Sharon. But that is the nature of corruption, isn’t it? your just laborin’ in the vineyards, and doin’ God’s will. How sweet is that?

    I don’t visit Townhall, or FOF, or AFA, or godhatesfags websites because I can see that they are clearly pig crap, and I don’t want to inject that into my life. It smells bad. Yet, here you are, and the occasional anti-gay poster, just itching to tell us what’s wrong with us.

    Now I know, of course, that I am probably wasting my time writing to you. I am well aware that your mind is closed more tightly than Jerry Falwell’s sphincter would be, were he still with us and not roasting in hell forever. Amazing that a mind so closed should be attached to a mouth so open, but it’s an incongruity that’s common enough.

    My wonderful late partner had an interesting theory of humanity. (He was a sweet man, knew the value of friends, wise, witty, with a knack for using words precisely and clearly. I’m sure you would have hated him in your own loving way. And no, he’s not burning in hell. That’s your need to believe, not ours). Anyway, Larry thought that the world was divided between two groups of people: those who were “on a mission” and those who were not.

    People “on a mission”– let’s call them missionaries– have a number of attributes. Oddly, because their outlook is so negative in terms of how they see things, much of what they do is negative (opposed to happiness) in its means and outcomes. They are defined as much by the negative and what they are not, than they are by anything positive and what they are. They are not content to be happy, to live their lives, or content even to be merely content. Unfortunately, because they ARE “on a mission”, they are also not content to let other people to live their lives and be happy, either. They have to manage. They have to interfere. They almost always have their panties in a bunch, their knickers in a twist, about something– or more often, someone. Unfortunately, that someone had better watch out, because those people are ON A MISSION.

    They do not understand these kinds of concepts, these basics of civilized living: Leave everyone the hell alone. Mind your own business. Judge not lest ye be judged. Look not for the speck, etc. Be kind. Be truthful. Be polite. Don’t be rude. be considerate of others. Do as you would be done by. Love not hate.

    Hatred of others is NEVER a positive thing, either for the hater or the hatee. Look how much time and money you and your charming family spend trying to make other people as miserable as you are. where’s the love, Shirley? Where’s the love? Wouldn’t you rather be on a picnic with your children in a sound-of-music alpine meadow than screaming at people who just lost a loved one?

    Well, obviously, no you wouldn’t. Values, Shirley, Values. If everyone preferred picnics to holy wars, we would have a lot more picnics and a lot few holy wars. The picnic basket industry would be booming.

    Shirley, I must impart one of the greatest pearls of wisdom I have come across in my 58 years. In the immortal words of Mammy Yokum: Good is better than evil because it’s nicer. It supplants 99% of what passes for morality in the bible, religion in general, and most people. Jesus said the same thing: “By their fruits shall you know them.”

    Yet in our world, what claims to be ‘the good’ frequently has a mean face, nasty means, and an unpleasant end for someone– usually someone else. Missionaries almost always claim the represent ‘the good’. Fortunately, many people who are missionaries are innocuous, but frequently, nonetheless, quite annoying. Some, like you Phelpsters, are mostly annoying, and not really innocuous. But fortunately for all of us you’re only annoying, not effective. Except for the people whose lives you briefly shatter when you show up at the funerals.

    Shirley, you are really a class act. Didn’t anyone ever tell you that picketing a funeral is rude, whether you know the people or not?

    But even that is temporary, though annoying.

    Unfortunately, there are also missionaries who are well beyond annoying and innocuous, because they are effective. George bush invading the middle east. Hitler murdering 6 million Jews. The crusades. the temperance movement, mother of organized crime in America. Communism. Fascism. Protestants murdering Catholics, and vice versa. Witch burners. Slave holders. The religious right. The PLO. Sharia law. 9/11 bombers. radical Islam.

    And anti-gay crusaders. And on and on and on.

    I know it is your ambition to be an effective agent of darkness and misery. What a scary ambition. (Mine is to live to a ripe old age, happy and healthy, with my husband and our numerous friends and family.)

    But I’m here to remind you of something. Your ambition will be thwarted. You will never achieve the greatness of, say Ayatollah Khomeini, when it comes to being a true missionary. In the end, you are not great.

    You are merely annoying.

  27. Indecent Idealist
    September 4, 2008

    quote= Shirley Phelps-Roper

    “…Other than that, Christ and every other writer of the scriptures agree on this – you must love your neighbor as yourself and your enemy and everyone…”

    Uh, see, I love myself. I love myself frequently, and uh, passionately. So, in keeping with Christ’s teachings, I love other women as I love myself. Frequently and passionately. Hee hee. And that’s what gay men do, too. Yep, I’m living a good christian life.

    And also… do those ramblings in the letter about why god hates Colorado make anyone else want to move there?

  28. Ben in Oakland
    September 4, 2008

    Well, waaaaaah. I was really hoping Shirl would write back. I’ve always wanted to talk to a Phelpster– at a safe distance.

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