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Ahhh, the Love

Timothy Kincaid

November 16th, 2008

The New Zealand Herald brings you some thoughts from some lovely folks attending a wedding at the Temple in Salt Lake:

“This is not democracy. This is not American. This is terrorism, for want of a better word,” said Renee Scheffers, a guest at a wedding at the Salt Lake Temple, the imposing granite building that, together with the snow-capped Wasatch mountains, dominates the city’s skyline.

“The gays have become everything they accused their opponents of,” added her fellow guest, Wilson Clyde.

“They’re intolerant of me, of my beliefs and my way of life. They’re nothing more than extremists who are trying to intimidate and silence anyone who disagrees with them.”

Now stop it you nasty extremists! How dare you try to intimidate those who spent over $20,000,000 and served as 80 to 90% of the on-the-street activists as well as all the faces in the ads of a campaign to take away one of your fundamental rights.

How very “intolerant” of you.

After all, just because Wilson Clyde’s “way of life” includes actively seeking to make you a second class citizen doesn’t mean that you should hold him accountable. Especially on a such a happy celibratory wedding day.



November 16th, 2008 | LINK

And none of this was occurring a few months ago. I wonder what happened in the meantime? At least it appears we have their attention. We need to keep the pressure on the Moromons until they decide to keep their noses out of our lives.

November 16th, 2008 | LINK

“the gays” ??? oh hell, does that mean my very (you have no idea how very, very can be)mormon family will now start referring to me as one of “the straight people who mistakenly support gay rights” … sorry, but that might just be too much for the name tag at the next family reunion.

November 16th, 2008 | LINK

Damn, I didn’t know that I am supposed to be tolerant of having their religion shoved into my life.

How does this work if I were forced to choose between the baptists, mormons, catholics and the rest?

Are catholics now terrorists because they are not mormons? So much for common sense.

Stefano A
November 16th, 2008 | LINK

And get a load of this gem:

“It’s easier to attack a minority religion, especially one that frankly isn’t very well understood, than to protest because 70 per cent of African American voters also supported Proposition 8,” says Mike Ottermeyer, a somewhat exasperated church spokesman.

Yeah. How dare we protest the over-the-top involvement of Mormons when we could go after, you know, the blacks since they already have the mark of Cain.

Perhpas Ottermeyer should invest in one of those flaming Christmas crosses.

David C.
November 16th, 2008 | LINK

Gee, I didn’t know that we had now shifted our tactics to include lying through our teeth, intimidating and threatening our “members” into voting for something they may had fundamental reservations about, and generally bearing every kind of false witness we could about our opponents. And all of this in direct contradiction to the fundamental tenants of our own orthodoxy.

Oh, wait, that isn’t gay people we are talking about is it. Sounds like the guilty are trying to project their misdeeds onto the group they were so self righteously oppressing just a few days ago.

Everybody needs to get used to the pattern of these people playing to cameras with that hurt puppy look and wondering why all of a sudden they are so “persecuted”.

Sheesh, give me a break. Is anybody really falling for this? If they are, the whole country’s toast. Over the last 5 or 6 years, almost every state has now banned same sex marriage, and in every case, that happened because religious zealots exerted their virtually unquestioned moral authority to curtail the rights of gay people.

The really dangerous precedent here is that a single, unified force of believers can change the laws to legislate their morals on the rest of the population with a simple majority agreeing with them. That should scare every citizen of this country far more than whether or not God is going to give a rats ass about two people of the same sex getting married.

November 17th, 2008 | LINK

I wonder what flavor the wedding cake was (sour grapes?)?

November 18th, 2008 | LINK

This is my first time here, so I have a question. Is it right for us (gays) to attack and deamonize a community (Mormons) just because they did it to us? I am sure there are gay Mormons. I am sure there are Mormons who are not attacking us. Aren’t those the ones we need to reach out to in order to help make changes from within? I know the church itself has been preaching inequality out of its own ignorance. But what I worry about it, do some (some not all) of our attacks towards them encouraging hate too? Notice what happened to Black Panthers and groups like theirs – they’re on the fringe of society, because they used attacks just like their attackers.

I’m not fully disagreeing here, just bringing up another side of things.

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