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Westboro Baptists Flee Student Counter Protest

Jim Burroway

November 25th, 2008

The Westboro Baptist clan was at it again, this time near Omaha Central High School last Friday. A counter protest by students turned, well, theatrical — in a rotten-tomatoes sort of way:

Students threw hamburgers and bottles of lemonade and milk at several members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., students said after the protest. A video of the protest — recorded by 16-year-old student Mason Hartwell — showed one counterprotester on the ground, seated with his hands behind his back and flanked by two law enforcement officers.

Students also chanted several slogans — including the Pledge of Allegiance, where they yelled “Liberty and justice for all.” Police persuaded the Westboro clan to leave once the situation threatened to get out of hand. Police said no one was injured and no one was arrested.

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kevin
November 25th, 2008 | LINK

I’m not the first to say that the Westboro Baptist Church probably does more to break down the walls of homophobia than our mainstream national organizations do.

Even raving homobigots like Peter LaBarbara take great pains to distance themselves from the Phelps clan.

queerunity
November 25th, 2008 | LINK

i was hoping to see a video :(

Mark C
November 25th, 2008 | LINK

Omaha isn’t known for being liberal by any means, so it’s particularly heartening how those kids at Omaha Central High School, who recognized the outlandish hate and bigotry demonstrated by the Westboro Baptists, responded and did it in a way where no one was hurt.

I mean, really, don’t we all wish we could get away with throwing food at them? ;-)

John
November 25th, 2008 | LINK

Mark C,

One doesn’t need to be liberal to be offended by Westboro. What they say about America and it’s soldiers would offend conservatives and push the average family member of a service member to violence. I am frankly surprised that there hasn’t been more outright serious violence directed toward them.

Lynn David
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

Phelps and his followers want to picket a Nov 28 performance of The Laramie Project in Vancouver, BC, Canada. A couple of gay MPs want the Canada Border Service to keep the WBC bigots out of Canada.

The MPs say the church’s sole purpose for visiting Canada is “inciting hatred and harassing people on the basis of their sexual orientation.” And that, they say, is “a premeditated violation of section 319 of the Canadian Criminal Code.” Section 319 says it is an offence to willfully promote hatred against any identifiable group.[http://www.xtra.ca/ public/ Vancouver/ MPs_want_to_stop_Phelps_at_the_border-5915.aspx]

I say let them in and let them break your laws, then throw the book at them, send them off to jail. If they have children with them, make them wards of the BC courts or give them to their uncle, Nate Phelps, who drives a taxi in Cranbook, BC [http://www.ubyssey.ca/?p=5624]. Cause Phelps to spend so dang much money in BC courts that he goes broke.

Margie Phelps
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

It is so beautiful watching this nation raise an entire generation of mindless illiterate raging brats. It is the perfect picture of the curse of God on this nation.

When they get all riled up and try to attack the peaceful kind-hearted prophets of God, you cheer like a bunch of stupid trained seals. But when they turn their filthy vulgar violence on society-at-large — you cry like a bunch of little girls. The very same day the brutish brats at the Omaha high school were raging — trying to change the standard of God — furious-at-heart because every adult they’ve ever met before meeting the Westboro Baptist Church good souls have lied to them about any and all things important — the Omaha media reported a hysterical conference by the “leaders” of the community about the out-of-control gang problem.

Meanwhile as you show your backsides in your comments — encouraging violence for one reason, to wit, to try to shake off the bands our words put on your evil dark consciences — your duty stays the same forever: Get a Bible; read it; urge your fellow man to read it; obey it; urge your fellow man to obey it; otherwise shut up!

You are an altogether worthless people. You have no character, substance or righteousness. You glorify yourselves and spend out your days in vain pursuit of lust and greed. You hate each other; you hate yourselves; you have a society that is rotting from the inside out; God is cursing you in every way, every day. And you’re just too plain blind and dumb to see it. God did that to you by one awesome judicial stroke: Made you blind, stupid and drunk-acting — so you are incapable of any right thinking. Lord help those pitiful kids raised by the parents of today! They have no hope! That’s why they are reduced to throwing food and drink at people who care for their souls. You taught them that vile parents, teachers, preachers and “leaders.”

God has raised up a perfect arrogant ass to be the president of this generation of spoiled no-impulse-control brats, named Obama. He will lead these bombastic big mouths to their final destruction. God put him in this position of power so he could use him as his servant for his glory to destroy doomed america.

Your only hope is this: Shut your big blasphemous mouth; get a Bible; read it; and OBEY! Fear God! Keep his commandments! He is the Creator of all things. Those animal-acting slobbish children can’t change that fact! The hour of his coming draws nigh. The Judgment Day she cometh.

God hates you doomed america. He sent you sissies and toddlers to rule over you; and they have you in a grip you can’t get out of. God hates you nasty Nebraska. God hates you Oafish Omaha. He hates the lying whore false prophets of your land; he hates the parents of your land; and he hates those rutting retards you call children! God hates you!

Magormissabib.

Margie Phelps
One of your only true BFFs in the whole world, at Westboro Baptist Church, the last spot on this earth where you will hear the truth

PS We’ll be back to that high school early and often — stay tuned — because those little brutes WILL drink the cup of his wrath — and since you parents, teachers, preachers and “leaders” won’t tell them the truth — we’ll do the job for you

Samantha
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

Margie,
Thank you for taking your time to comment here, it’s always invigorating to hear from a member of the Westboro Baptists. I must say I’m always impressed by both the sincerity and lack of hypocrisy among you members.
That being said…
This is where my respect ends. Your message is hateful and harmful. Your faith is a toxic one which seems to have no purpose beyond hurting others.
While I will defend your right to speak as one of the basic freedoms that makes this country great I often find myself mystified by how much you and yours seem to hate this country and the people you share it with.
This thanksgiving I and my wife (that’s a same sex marriage dear)will give thanks for our lives, love, liberty, and prosperity.
We’ll also give thanks for not being people consumed with hate. I’m very sorry that you seem to have nothing but hate inside.
Hoping you see reason someday,
Samantha

AJD
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

Margie,

I, too, have always had a special place in my heart for you and your church. It’s not that I have even the slightest respect for your message, but I like that you don’t try to mask your bigotry for the sake of political expediency, as so many others on the religious right do. In a lot of respects, you are a sort of mirror for the “mainstream” religious right — they clearly have the same beliefs that you do, but you’re not afraid to say what you really mean. That’s why groups like the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family seek to distance themselves from you, because you show them for what they really are.

To the extent that you give a bad name to homophobes everywhere, I think you’ve been an enormous help to us. Thanks!

Patrick
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

@Margie,

“But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.” 1 Tim 2:12

You should read and obey the Bible.

And thank you for all that you do for the gay community – you truly have been the singular biggest blessing for us. I rejoice every time I hear you will be protesting.

Tavdy
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

“God hates you doomed america. He sent you sissies and toddlers to rule over you; and they have you in a grip you can’t get out of. God hates you nasty Nebraska. God hates you Oafish Omaha. He hates the lying whore false prophets of your land; he hates the parents of your land; and he hates those rutting retards you call children! God hates you!

Magormissabib.

Margie Phelps” – Margie Phelps

Wow. BTB just got Phelpsed.

(would be nice if they knew a little grammar)

Jim Burroway
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

Wow. BTB just got Phelpsed.

I like that! “Phelps” as a verb.

John
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

With all the emphasis on hate, I have thought for years that the real object of worship for this family cult was Satan.

TJ McFisty
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

John, how could you forget about Old Testament Vengeful/Hateful Yahweh? That’s the one they channel.

Remember, this is the Yahweh that hated a buncha kids for making fun of Elisha being bald so much so that He allowed a coupla bears to rip them apart. Conflicts a little with the stoning of disobedient children, but I guess bears’ll do in a pinch.

I have that right, Margie?

cd
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

Margie,

I’ve seen several your family’s performances up close in 2004 and 2005. You speak angrily of illiterate raging brats in Omaha; c’mon, they just know how to beat you at your own game, and your jealousy is just not pretty.

Frankly, I feel sorry for deluded and cynical people like you. If only the Bible were actually read for what it says in that wretched, emptying temple to that pig of vile preChristian pagan beliefs in ego, career, notoriety, permissibility of false witness, lovelessness, and heartless Nature Gods all gussied up with a little faux Christian lipstick you call your church….

Matthew 19:6 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Proverbs 11:29 He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.

Deuteronomy 19:16-19 Behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

Jeremiah 14:14-15 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart. Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

Matthew 22:35-40 An expert in the law tested Jesus with this question, “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?” Jesus replied, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like unto it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Do you live by any of these passages in your life, Margie, and does your family?

David C.
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

I think BTB should add the Phelpsies to the list of honors bestowed by BTB. The award would be given to “Churches” and “preachers” that come closest to the Westboro Baptist Church ideal.

AJD
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

cd,

It’s futile to try to change the minds of fundies with Bible verses. They’ll just find another way to interpret them.

As for fundies of the WBC variety, it’s impossible to reason with them altogether. They’re beyond all hope.

Patrick
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

“I think BTB should add the Phelpsies to the list of honors bestowed by BTB. The award would be given to “Churches” and “preachers” that come closest to the Westboro Baptist Church ideal.”

I second the motion.
Phelpsies go to explicitly hateful statements and actions.

Wednesday WTFs! « My 2 Cents
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

[…] Liberty and justice for all, but be sure to duck those hamburgers! […]

knobandtube
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

Hey Don’t knock it, it’s a job. You get to travel and see the country on the churches dime.

And I would like to say thanks to Margie for using paragraphs so many wingnuts don’t bother.

Boo
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

Margie-

You serve your god so faithfully and well

One day you’ll see him face to face in hell

cd
November 26th, 2008 | LINK

Thanks, AJD. I’m not new to the game. I just find it fun to compare their behavior to ways the book they’re always thumping on and waving around actually says. Be it for the joys of exposing unabashed selfcontradiction, for public edification, or something. :)

I’ve been involved in gay marriage activism for five years. I have given the anti argument and its activists every chance to make their best case. As everyone now realizes there is no morally upright argument for their position. And when you talk to the serious ones in person, they do get that glint in their eye that racists and antifeminists get when engaged in that ugliness. They inwardly know they are wrong, but there is some horrible maudlin form of crookedness and ego in them that they can usually suppress but which finds its opportunity in that moment and takes over. Margie’s post here is an excellent unvarnished example of exactly that.

SuzyQ
November 27th, 2008 | LINK

The Phelps Klan are nothing but a bunch of inbred shit throwing flying monkeys that prove there is no god.

Sending them off to Saudi Arabia or some other place where their faith based hatred is the norm would be good riddance.

Putting them in a zoo would provide much amusement.

Just goes to show where home schooling leads.

codyj
November 27th, 2008 | LINK

margie? thank god for nut cases like you, and your evil church, its put the rest of us in perspective…by the way-Who does your hair? Can’t say Im crazy about your tailor,either…Whats is this? 1940s FRUMP MASTER DESIGN?? (please advise)

Emily K
November 27th, 2008 | LINK

TJ,

since I only worship the “Old Testament” “vengeful” G-d, I guess that makes me no better than the Phelps’s. From me and all my fellow Hebes, thanks!

John
November 28th, 2008 | LINK

SuzyQ,

Interestingly, the Phelps don’t homeschool. Their poor kids go to public schools where they are shunned and don’t have any friends. A Brit did a documentary about them that was posted on Queerty within the last week that painted both a disturbing and sad picture of the family, especially the young ones.

HappyCat
November 28th, 2008 | LINK

Hi Maggie, Long time fan of the WBC Church. I think it great that you posted here on BTB.

I was just wondering how the WBC feels about people like Peter LeBarbera and James Dobson?

Do you feel they are using GOD to profit by taking money from others?

Do you feel they represent GOD in a way that should make you proud?

We know that Peter LeBarbera reads here at BTB as well as James Dobson. Could you leave them a message here at BTB for them to read. We know if you post on one of their sites, they delete it before anyone can read your great insight. A message to them posted here addressed to them wont be deleted.

Thank you for your time, and I hope you had a happy thanksgiving.

TJ McFisty
November 28th, 2008 | LINK

Now, Emily, you know the Phelpses’d so fail being Jewish.

You do have to admit, however, Old Testy G-d is way vengeful and not one to piss off. In my mind, if you don’t manage to follow all those rules and not get smote, you’ve earned the right to inherit whatever you want!

TJ McFisty
November 28th, 2008 | LINK

Oops, I mean “If you manage to follow…” not “If you don’t…”

Well, either way you’re getting away with it.

Emily K
November 29th, 2008 | LINK

TJ,

“Now, Emily, you know the Phelpses’d so fail being Jewish.”

I’m not really sure what you mean by that. I assume you mean they don’t follow the 613 mitzvot.

I definitely don’t follow “all those rules” – most Jews I know don’t. But that doesn’t limit their participation with the Divine. The “rules” don’t operate in the way that G-d marks a strike against you for each rule you “break.” Rather, it’s a positive build-up – each “rule” is considered a way to get closer to G-d, sometimes in a way one might not understand. That is what I was taught.

the belief that the Jewish G-d is vengeful and hateful compared to the Christian G-d has fueled anti-Judaic actions and attitudes since… the 2nd century. I don’t expect people outside the faith – people outside studying the Torah the way Jews do – to understand how we could call G-d loving, but the majority of us are certainly not literalists, and honestly – without studying the Oral Law along with the “Old” Testament – people will be especially in the dark about that scripture.

As for getting away with things – the “bad” not being punished, the “good” not being rewarded, etc – well shit, that’s a problem the whole human race has yet to understand, but we sure as hell try.

Seriously though, I wonder why anti-religious people – those who actively speak out against religion – seem to slink away as soon as I ask them to tell me what is evil about the Jewish religion. Maybe because we’ve been associated with the Devil by the Christian world for so many centuries they decide to give us a “break.” Whatever.

Jane
February 9th, 2009 | LINK

Central High School is one of the most accepting high schools on earth and I can vouch for that as a graduate. Aside from any religious differences I or any Central student may have concerning the Westboro Baptist clan, this school has the most diverse group of young people I have yet to be involved with that will stand up for each others beliefs and opinions. Although I graduated a while before this happened, I will stand up for those who were able to participate and say they are far from “mindless illiterate raging brats.” I really hate getting into this, but if you feel so strongly that the students were “all riled up and trying to attack the peaceful kind-hearted prophets of God,” then it may have been a mistake to step foot on Central’s campus in the first place.

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