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LaBarbera Award: Rick Warren

Jim Burroway

December 19th, 2008

Like Peter LaBarbera, Obama’s honored pastor just won’t shut up. And the more he talks, the deeper the hole Saddleback Pastor Rick Warren digs. So, we’re giving him a belated award.

Here’s more of that interview with Ann Curry we talked about yesterday. This time, Curry asks Rick Warren, “What if homosexuality is biological?”

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Rick Warren: If it’s biological, I’d be glad to know. We all have biological predispositions. Some people struggle with anger, and some people say, “I don’t struggle with anger, but I sure struggle with fear.” And some people say, “Well, I don’t struggle with this, I struggle with being shy.”

Ann Curry: You’re saying if it’s part of your biology it’s your job to struggle against it if in fact, it’s the wrong thing.

Rick Warren: Here’s what I’m saying. I’ve had many gay friends tell me, “Well Rick, why shouldn’t I have multiple sexual partners? It’s the natural thing to do.” Well, just because it seems natural, doesn’t mean its best for you or society. I’m naturally inclined to have sex with every beautiful woman I see. But it doesn’t mean that it’s the right thing to do. And why should I rein in my natural impulses. And you say well I have natural impulses toward the same sex, I shouldn’t have to rein them in. Well I disagree. I think that’s part of maturity. I think it’s part of delayed gratification. I think it’s part of character.

Actually, Rick Warren is only reining in his promiscuous urges, not his heterosexual ones. At least I presume so, since he’s married. What he says here is that being gay is indistinguishable from being promiscuous. But what about non-promiscuous gay people? Unlike the standard he set for himself, he expects them to be completely celibate.

Since Warren isn’t celibate, why is he mature and monogamous gay people aren’t? Why don’t his “many gay friends” — and yes, he brings those phantom friends back into the conversation again — delay gratification and demonstrate character, even if they’re not promiscuous?

So, to add to gay relationships being no different from child rape, incest, and polygamy, we can now add promiscuous, immature, and lacking in character. Will the fun never end?

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AJD
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

He doesn’t want us to “delay gratification”; he wants us to forgo it completely and either live sexually frustrated lives in celibacy or marry members of the opposite sex for whom we lack any feelings.

Bill
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

I would like to see one of these sterling reporters who interview this bigot request the names of the pastor’s “gay friends” so that they could be asked directly for their views and to test whether they will confirm his fairy tales.

Chaz
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

Oh dear. Clearly this guy does not know what he is talking about. He has a limited steriotypical view of all gays sleeping with multiple partners. I wonder who those “gay friends” of his are? Besides he forgets that humans are ultimately just another one of the many animals on this earth and when you look at the animal kingdom, the male often coverts many females.

K
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

It’s “part of maturity” to rein in those pesky gay impulses?

Good grief, that bit on Freudian nonsense went the way of the dodo bird.

Remember just several days ago, when Obama was going on about bringing science back in his administration? Not bloody likely, by the looks of this crap.

Patrick
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

It’s like he’s memorized James Dobson’s discussion of homosexuality in “Solid Answers”! I’m surprised he hasn’t used the alcoholism analogy yet.

Eric
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

I’m sorry… but did I hear that correctly? He made that vast sweeping judgement that all active homosexuals lack maturity and character, well I think a big leap in maturity would be required for him to realize 1) many gay people are not promiscuous though many straights are and 2) two committed loving people of the same gender is not anywhere the same as alcoholism or some other “sinful” nature…. plus, I don’t know where he got his history book on the other video tape, seeing as how actual history was almost the complete opposite of everything he said. Long story short, this man is an idiot, and we as a nation should cease giving him any attention.

CPT_Doom
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

What I love is watching this fat pig talk about “delayed gratification.” How about one less piece of bacon in the morning, Rick?

Ryan
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

I guess this means that Warren is against straight couples who have had more than one sex partner being allowed to marry as well, because that’s not good for them or society.

Rick
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

I doubt very much that every beautiful woman he meets wants to have sex with Rick Warren. This might help explain why he’s not fulfilling all his urges.

And can I add that hearing about Rick Warren’s urges before breakfast isn’t exactly helping my appetite?

David C.
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

Eric,

Oh, let the guy draw all the attention he can to his silly world view. Perhaps a few people outside of the gay community will finally see just how ignorant he truly is. If we keep the heat up, it will shine a light onto all the nonsense he spouts. If we’re lucky, this darling of evangelism will expose the whole anti-gay industry for what it truly is: a money machine run by crackpots.

CPT_Doom
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

David C.

That is my hope as well. Would that this is Warren’s Sarah-Palin moment. I loved Ann Curry’s “Why?!” in response to his answer.

Nevada Blue
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

What a baffoon. Besides, I’m not convinced he’s ever reined in his promiscuous urges. What beautiful woman would want him?

Elizabeth
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

CPT_Doom- the words “fat f@ck” pop into my head every time I see his ugly mug. What are your thoughts on gluttony, Rick?

Regan DuCasse
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

O…M…G!
I can’t stand it. I just CAN’T deal with a heterosexual know it all, trying to rationalize treating gay people in every other way but equal to how heterosexuals are treated.

All the bullshit he’s spewing about anger and fear and multiple partners are NOT ABOUT BEING GAY!
And since HE knows NOTHING about BEING gay, he can’t sit there and pontificate that HE knows the definition of it or how gay people should go about THEIR lives.

He’s trying SO HARD to rationalize that gay people won’t respond to being treated equally, the way heterosexuals respond to it.

A HUMAN being will respond to being treated with dignity, equality, freedom and love in kind. Those that can’t, are the ones with problems. Which is STILL, not to do with being gay.

He and so many others get that backwards with gay folks. Trying to think up ways of denying it, and judging the results of rarely having it…makes my blood boil.

Arrogant, supremacist PIG!!!

EdgyB
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

I think I threw up in my mouth a little.

Timothy Kincaid
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

Here’s what I’m saying. I’ve had many gay friends tell me, “Well Rick, why shouldn’t I have multiple sexual partners? It’s the natural thing to do.”

I don’t need to know Rick Warren or his “friends” to know that this is a flat-out lie.

Timothy Kincaid
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

Incidentally, Rick Warren’s view of sexuality sees homosexuality as an add on, an inclination that is overlayed on top of heterosexuality. He thinks that if gays just did “do that”, then the delayed gratification would be better when they finally had sex with their heterosexual spouses.

It hasn’t even flickered by his head that many gay people aren’t going to have gratification with an opposite sex spouse, delayed or otherwise.

Johnny
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

What the hell!?!? What gay people (and he indicates many) talk like this? In fact, since AIDS came on the scene, most gay people would point out this is a dangerous position. I have been in a 16 year monogomous relationship which he has just knocked off in a single statement.

I have been standing up for him recently. Maybe not so much anymore.

cd
December 19th, 2008 | LINK

Oh yay. It is all about heterosexual privilege after all, even for this supposedly exemplary Christian leader.

Jake
December 20th, 2008 | LINK

“I’ve had many gay friends tell me, ‘Well Rick, why shouldn’t I have multiple sexual partners? It’s the natural thing to do.’”

What a joke. First of all I doubt if he has any gay friends. Secondly, who would ask such a ridiculous question, let alone the “many” he claims.

What a complete liar.

cowboy
December 20th, 2008 | LINK

In time for the new year approaching, are we going to get a synopsis of everyone who was granted a LaBarbera Award in 2008? The, can we vote on who gets the Grandest LaBarbera Award for the whole year?

It might give us a chance to remember some doozies.

Alex H
December 21st, 2008 | LINK

Seems to me like Warren is “choosing” to be a heterosexual, if that’s what he is.

Anyone who says that being gay is a choice, must be in the closet and therefore choosing to live a straight life…hence the choice ideal.

I know for a fact that I am gay and that it’s NOT a choice and therefore I don’t assume that straight people are “choosing” to be straight. They just are. Just like I am. No CHOICE. No problem.

But those who are “choosing” anything, indicate that there are two choices to begin with. Like we can all “choose” to marry or have sex with the opposite gender that doesn’t make us heterosexual, but it gives us a choice.

Perhaps that’s the choice that Warren has made. Just like Haggard and McGreevey and Craig and on and on and on…they feel that since they can do that, so can everyone else. Please!

What Warren and others like him fail to realize is that most of us have made our peace with our sexuality and have embraced it. And got rid of the closet all together.

Must be tough to be that old and still hiding in the closet…no wonder Warren needs to clutch at religion with a death grip.

Timothy Kincaid
December 21st, 2008 | LINK

Alex,

We have no reason to believe that Rick Warren is closeted. Let’s not deal in speculation and inuendo. OK?

Dennis Veite
December 21st, 2008 | LINK

@Timothy: I think the phrase ‘methinks though doth protest too much’ might apply to Mr. Rick. We’re compared to people who commit incest and bestiality so why not do the same to him? Oh, that’s right: because its the right thing to do. Interesting how far that’s gotten us with people like him.

I’m sorry, please don’t take it personally; I’m tired of this fight. I’m emotionally and mentally exhausted. I haven’t had a decent night’s sleep since November 4. I’ve had my rights raped by the people of the state my tax dollars go to support and now the person who was supposed to bring balance back to the country has slit our collective throats. The right thing to do just doesn’t seem to be the right thing anymore.

Timothy Kincaid
December 21st, 2008 | LINK

I appreciate your emotional exhaustion. I share it. I too am hurt by the votes of my neighbors, the advancement of bigotry, and the condescention and dismissiveness of our newly elected leader.

But we don’t allow insinuation or false accusation on our site. So, no more.

Helen Wheels
December 22nd, 2008 | LINK

Warren says he controls his impulses to have sex with every beautiful woman he sees. This is a perfect example of power distorting one’s grasp of reality. I would seriously like to know which beautiful women have actually agreed to allow his sweating, corpulent mass to grunt away on top of them without being paid for it. There is a big difference in restraining oneself when one really never has the opportunities.

Allen M
January 9th, 2009 | LINK

I just hope Obama lives TRUE to his promise of fighting for justice and equality for LGBT people!

Warren is a hateful bigot and he is against same sex couples being together even when they are monogamous! When will people like him learn?!?

I have a husband and I have been married for almost 4 years (we’ve been together for 7) and not once have we ever been unfaithful to each other! Does Warren care about that? No, of course not! He only wants to eliminate ALL gay rights! And he does not care one bit that most LGBT people want the same thing from life as anyone else – we are NO different except that the person we love happens to be the same sex! Most LGBT want to find their one true soul mate and spend the rest of their lives together!

I get so tired of people like Warren and others in the Ultra Conservative group who act and talk like gays only want to find as many people as they can to have sex with! It is so demeaning and untrue but they will do ANYTHING they can to spread these lies about us and try to get everyone to believe it!

I hope I am still around to see True Equality!

BTW, Regan don’t worry about those bigots – I think you know what I mean. People like them will never change!

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