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Rick Warren’s Nose Grew Much, Much Bigger

Jim Burroway

April 7th, 2009

Saddleback Church pastor Rick Warren appeared on Larry King last night and claimed that he had never endorsed California’s Prop 8 during the campaign, and that he had never compared same-sex marriage to incest, polygamy or child molestation — despite the fact that both statements what he claimed to have never made are widely available on the Internet.

Concerning Warren’s “non-endorsement” of Prop 8, Rick Warren told Larry King:

Yes, you know, Larry, there was a story within a story that never got told. In the first place, I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist. I never have been, never will be. During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never — never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

The week before the — the vote, somebody in my church said, Pastor Rick, what — what do you think about this? And I sent a note to my own members that said, I actually believe that marriage is — really should be defined, that that definition should be — say between a man and a woman. And then all of a sudden out of it, they made me, you know, something that I really wasn’t.

After a commercial break, Warren was asked again about his role in Prop 8. He replied:

I never campaigned for it. I never — I’m not an anti-gay activist — never have been. Never participated in a single event. I just simply made a note in a newsletter. And, of course, everything I write it’s — it’s (INAUDIBLE).

But before the election, Rick Warren sent his little note to his members in the form of a professionally-produced video on the World Wide Web for all the World Wide to see.

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Warren also told King that he had never compared gay relationships to incest, polygamy or child molestation:

There were some things said that — you know, everybody should have 10 percent grace when they say public statements. And I was asked a question that made it sound like I equated gay marriage with pedophilia or incest, which I absolutely do not believe.

But as we reported in December when he made those comments, this is what he said:

Rick Warren: But the issue to me is, I\’m not opposed to that as much as I\’m opposed to the redefinition of a 5,000-year definition of marriage. I\’m opposed to having a brother and sister be together and call that marriage. I\’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that a marriage. I\’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

Steven Waldman: Do you think, though, that they are equivalent to having gays getting married?

Rick Warren: Oh I do.

He then went on about his “many gay friends” — whose relationships are in the same league as incest, child molestation and polygamy — and he did so again on Larry King last night:

Rick Warren: All of the criticism came from people that didn’t know me.

Larry King: Well…

Rick Warren: Not a single criticism came from any gay leader who knows me and knows that for years, we’ve been working together on AIDS issues and all these other things.

We are still waiting to hear from Rick Warren’s “many gay friends” or from a gay leader who knows him. Ill-informed entertainers don’t count.



Ben in Oakland
April 7th, 2009 | LINK

I guess you must be reminded that for so many anti-gay religionists, it’s not a lie if told in the service of The Fountain of Truth.

In the immortal recitation of St. Humpty Dumpty:

“Words mean exactly what I say they mean. Nothing more. And nothing less.”

Richard Rush
April 7th, 2009 | LINK

The theological purists aren’t going care at all that he lied on Larry King’s show. But they will try to punish him for now distancing himself from Prop 8.

April 7th, 2009 | LINK

Just wait until 50 years from now when no one will want to admit to being associated with the “marriage defense” movement. Maybe by then Warren will have re-write history as him being on the vanguard of the LGBT rights movement!

April 7th, 2009 | LINK

The man is a bold face liar.

Timothy Kincaid
April 7th, 2009 | LINK


You may be joking a bit, but I wouldn’t doubt it.

In Warren’s mind he is the moderate loving face of Evangelical Christianity. Anything that doesn’t fit with that image will fade from his recollection.

He’s already forgotten his video and his comparisons to pedophilia and incest. And I really do think that in some ways he truly has forgotten – it isn’t how he thinks of himself so it just MUST have been some anomoly and not really that big a deal.

As Christianity in whole comes to embrace its gay children (which is going to happen), Warren will recall that he worked with some gay people on AIDS and that his church was “always open to everyone” and he’ll forget he ever said that the Bible opposed gay couples.

I do think it’s very likely that Warren will recall himself as a leader in supporting gays. Many current anti-gays will.

Have you ever met anyone who recalls supporting miscegenation laws? Or anyone who opposed racial equality?

Votes and polls say they did, and in great number. But no one ever seems to recall that they were among those who did.

April 7th, 2009 | LINK

It’s strange how many bigots claim to have gay friends.

Kathleen Weber
April 7th, 2009 | LINK

It would be funny if it weren’t so darn
tragic. What I see is 100s of thousands
of real scared kids. The side in support
of the California Supreme Court decision
allowing gay and lesbian partnerships
to be legalized didn’t get into the
arguing in front of the kiddies much.

A damnably messy kettle of lumpy
mush–Utah’s national breakfast
dish, or was. Maybe we should have
a law declaring lumpy mush our
national dish. That’s how they
do in Utah, or try.

Its illegal for a man to walk down
the street between two women in
Cedar City, Utah. My mother told me
that as an example of silly laws
that nobody gets around to changing.
I was seven, maybe and she explained
it all to me. And I agreed.

50 years later I not only think it
dumb, but dangerous. Life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness, mmmmm, where’s that from.

Who would it hurt if Polygamy were
decriminalized? It was legal for 20
years (see the Smith Act). It was
common until Justinian took up
Christianity and remolded the faith
in his own image. That hardly happened
5,000 years ago. Gimmie a break Rev.

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