24 responses

  1. Jim Burroway
    April 8, 2009

    It would be a mistake to look at the Theology of the Body as a teaching about sexuality and family. It came about from a series of reflections that John Paul II gave from 1979 to 1984, and it centers on the fact that of all of God’s sentient creation, only humans possess body, mind and spirit. Religion, too often treats humans as mind and spirit only, without reflecting on what the body has to teach us.

    Yes, sexuality does come into it, and Catholic teaching certainly focuses on the complementarity of the sexes, but the idea of the body as also being of our integral being has a very long history in Catholic tradition. For example, Catholics pray with their bodies, mind, and spirit through the acts of genuflection, bowing, kneeling, and crossing oneself. And Catholic worship also engages all five physical senses: touch (crossing oneself), sight (candles, beauty) sound (singing or chant), taste (communion) and smell (incense).

    I hope this helps place the Theology of the Body in a broader context. While it certainly touches on sexuality in that distinctly narrow Catholic point of view (our body parts are to be used for one purpose and one purpose only), there is more to it than that.

    That said, knowing that Owens is Opus Dei tells us everything we need to know. Fred Karger (Californians Against Hate) believes that NOM was established as a front organization by the LDS church. That may be the case. However no one knows the extent of Opus Dei’s involvement in all of this. We shouldn’t be too surprised if we were to learn that it is very substantial.

  2. Dave
    April 8, 2009

    to Protestant ears such as mine, it seems to go much further than matters of behavior and spiritual conviction … [Owens] is affiliated with some rather extreme offshoots of the Catholic Church

    Um, pardon me if I’m mistaken, but I thought Box Turtle Bulletin was about analyzing and fact-checking anti-gay rhetoric.

    Offering Protestant opinions of Catholic theology seems far off point. It might be better to leave to Catholics to decide just how extreme or not an offshoot Opus Dei is.

    As for the views on marriage that Owen gives in the NBCC article you link to, he gives a nice summary here:

    It is easy to lose sight of the sacredness of marriage in our modern world of Vegas wedding chapels, civil marriage, same-sex “marriage”, and Desperate Housewives. However, as baptized Christians, we have a higher standard imposed by truth. As Catholics, we have even greater responsibility and burden imposed by the fullness of truth.

    That doesn’t seem at all extreme or outside the mainstream for a believing Roman Catholic, nor do I doubt that a great many Protestants would fully agree.

  3. grantdale
    April 9, 2009

    Dave: It might be better to leave to Catholics to decide just how extreme or not an offshoot Opus Dei is.

    Funny, but I was talking to the Taliban about this idea just the other day. They pointed out how very few people disagree with them… when they are in control.

    Given the numbers involved, however, I think that question has been answered as far as Catholics are concerned. Less than 100,000 (with probably several millions of supporters) out of pool of hundreds and hundreds of millions. Clearly… Opus Dei is NOT highly regarded and it is NOT mainstream, even given the unusually generous favouritism that has been shown toward it during the part few decades at the highest levels of the Church. (Arguably it has been promoted as The Response to ‘liberation theology’ under JPII).

    While you may pick and choose particular statements from Opus Die that provide very little insight… it is its (frankly bizarre) take on suffering that sets it apart. On that, they ARE extremists. While there’s always been a certain element within the Church (as elsewhere) that enjoys the exquisite delights of torture (self, and of others), the type of person that Opus Dei appeals to are also the type that enjoys the volume turned up to 11. Having a high score on the Authoritarian Scale seems a prerequisite.

    Whatever one’s views about purgatory, it’s the sheer delighting in being able to start the process while people are still alive that distinguishes the Opus Dei. And if you happen to be unwilling: all the better — that causes more suffering, and therefore even more opportunity to ‘understand’ what God is all about.

    It’s one thing to reflect on suffering as an element of human existence but another thing altogether when you begin to think people therefore NEED to suffer.

    This is a echo of a mediaeval mindset that once thought being burned alive was ‘better’ for the sinner than simply chopping their head off. More opportunity for suffering, you see. Like that’s a good thing.

    Timothy has as much right to examine Opus Dei, and draw conclusions, as anyone else. Even people who write boring books of fiction have that right.

  4. David
    April 9, 2009

    Dave,

    BTB is about analyzing and fact checking.

    Saying, “Um, pardon me… but I thought Box Turtle Bulletin was about analyzing and fact-checking anti-gay rhetoric” is unnecessarily condescending. They do a great job here.

    Timothy Kincaid was openly addressing a possible bias by saying “But to Protestant ears such as mine, it seems…” People should address their own biases in their work, and his statement was an important part of fact-checking because it invited more problem solving. It invited Jim Burroway to add more information. Kincaid’s deliberate wording is also what allowed you to pick up on the bias. You probably wouldn’t find anti-gay pundits saying anything remotely like ‘it seems to me’ or ‘to ears from this domain…”

    Suggesting that it be left up to Catholics to decide whether other Catholics are extreme is an essentialist argument, and in this case I disagree.

  5. Dave
    April 9, 2009

    grantdale,

    Funny, but I was talking to the Taliban about this idea just the other day.

    Yes, grant, I’m sure you were. Please give those nutters my regards the next time you communicate with them.

    Given the numbers involved, however, I think that question has been answered … Opus Dei is NOT highly regarded and it is NOT mainstream

    I don’t think these questions can be answered merely by looking at numbers. Most Catholics aren’t Franciscans either; that doesn’t mean the Franciscans are poorly regarded amongst Catholics or are outside the mainstream of Catholic thought.

    Of course, how right and just something is does not depend on its popularity. Questioning something based on its position in the mainstream of thought is a tactic for bringing it into ill-repute without really examining it. This is a lousy technique for a gay activist to use given how poorly regarded and outside the mainstream homosexuality was not all that long ago.

    While you may pick and choose particular statements from Opus Die that provide very little insight… it is its (frankly bizarre) take on suffering that sets it apart. On that, they ARE extremists.

    And now to the heart of the matter.

    You have replace the concern of my comment with one of your own. I am not interested in Opus Dei’s views on suffering.

    Timothy wrote that Owens’ views on marriage “are far from mainstream Christianity.” I countered that assertion using a quote from Owen. I did not choose statements “from Opus Die that provide very little insight”; I chose a quote from Owen himself that dealt directly with the matter at hand: Owens’ opinions on marriage.

    Timothy has as much right to examine Opus Dei, and draw conclusions, as anyone else.

    This is true. However, the topic of Timothy’s post was Damon Owens, not Opus Dei. Timothy seems to have brought up Opus Dei just so he can talk about how secretive, sectarian, and creepy it is. In short, he was practicing guilt by association.

    Beyond all that, when I said “Offering Protestant opinions of Catholic theology seems far off point,” I was warning that expecting a conservative Catholic group live up to liberal Protestant theology is much like the demands of right-wing Christians that the secular government live up to their religious dogma.

  6. Dave
    April 9, 2009

    David,

    I believe I have answered your objections in my reply to grantdale.

  7. John
    April 9, 2009

    I am Catholic, and I asure you that Opus Dei isn’t mainstream. Certainly not in the US, Ireland or Mexico (the three areas that I am most familiar with). In fact, if you talk to Opus Dei members, you will often get the sense that they view themselves as “more Catholic” than the average Catholic and set themselves apart based on their ideological and religious purity. They themselves would describe Opus Dei as not typical of the Catholic Church and would also point out that is the fundamental problem with Catholicism: average Catholics aren’t of the same mindset or practices as Opus Dei.

  8. Timothy Kincaid
    April 9, 2009

    Those wishing to determine whether Owens’ views on marriage are consistent with mainstream Christianity or the American populace are advised to look at Owens’ views rather than Dave’s careful selection and presentation of Owens’ views.

  9. grantdale
    April 9, 2009

    (Jim/Timothy I promise I’m stopping at this. Good lord.)

    Don’t talk nonsense Dave.

    The reason most Catholics are not Franciscans is the exact same reason most Catholics are not priests or nuns: it’s a religious order. Few feel called.

    Opus Dei doesn’t operate that way, and you know it.

    What you have neglected to do is quote Damon Owens’ complete views around marriage. Marriage isn’t just marriage to Damon Owens, and the reasoning is highly constricted. It has place as one of the ONLY two choices that he offers for life: heterosexual marriage or ‘consecrated celibacy’, both on the same basis.

    That’s right. ‘Personal rejection or renunciation of sex’ is not enough for lay people — they must otherwise ALSO be consecrated.

    Go pull out your leather-bound Code of Canon Law and tell everyone exactly what the choice of ‘consecrated life’ means.

    This demand by Owens is plainly and outright rejected by the overwhelming majority of lay people within the Church; let alone Christians outside it. Waffle all you like: people are simply not doing it. Nor feeling a need to. Nor being pestered by the Church about it.

    You may like to try argue that a viewpoint that almost nobody bothers with is ‘mainstream’, but I rather suspect that Timothy has called it correctly on that basis alone.

    The other point you took issue with was Timothy’s statement that “[Owens] is affiliated with some rather extreme offshoots of the Catholic Church”.

    You started your post with that very objection. Nobody has replaced “your concern” with one of their own. On that you are fabricating points of argument.

    Buddy, if you want to object to a Timothy’s actual statement that Opus Dei is a rather extreme offshoot … you had better be ready to discuss the Opus Dei viewpoints on suffering. And many others.

    Because it’s those viewpoints that determine it to be an extreme offshoot. A post about Damon Owens of necessity must examine his viewpoints, and that requires Opus Dei to be mentioned. Doing so doesn’t make the post about Opus Dei, although this is obviously the real concern about the post from yourself.

    Now… do you see what you’ve gone and done? That’s right: turned a post about Damon Owens into a post string full of discussion about Opus Dei. I think we’d call that an ‘own goal’.

    Keep up the good work.

    ps avoid using the term ‘gay activist’. It enables people to peg you to within the millimetre. I am more than happy to have Opus Dei fully examined, but they are not. I suspect it’s because — unlike homosexuality — the more people know about, the more they’d reject it.

    Trying to draw a parallel between the past 40 years of open gay activism and the past 40 years of secretive Opus Dei activism is beyond laughable. It does you no credit.

  10. Dave
    April 9, 2009

    John,

    The comparison you are using — Opus Dei members vis-a-vis Catholic laity in general — is a way of allowing “Catholics to decide just how extreme or not an offshoot Opus Dei is.”

    However, when you delve into a Catholic group’s views on suffering and purgatory, as grantdale did, the questions of extremism and mainstream status are ones of how the groups views fit in with Catholic thought in general, and with Church teaching in particular.

  11. Dave
    April 9, 2009

    grantdale,

    I talk nonsense?

    I am accused of doing so all the time on this blog for no other reason than that I think differently than most of the readers.

    Of course I know that the Franciscans isn’t for the laity. That is beside the point of my analogy. Most priests aren’t Franciscans either. That doesn’t render the Franciscans outside the Catholic mainstream, nor does it suggest the order is unpopular with Catholics in general.

    Any Catholic group you can name will count only a small portion of Catholics as members. This fact tells us nothing about the popularity or mainstream status of said group. That was the sole point of my analogy.

    * * * * *

    It is always delightful to enter into dialogue with someone here at BTB only to be told I was arguing something I wasn’t arguing. And then be called a liar to boot!

    Marriage isn’t just marriage to Damon Owens, and the reasoning is highly constricted. It has place as one of the ONLY two choices that he offers for life: heterosexual marriage or ‘consecrated celibacy’

    That is neither here nor there. In the quote of Owens that I gave, he said “As Catholics, we have even greater responsibility and burden,” so I don’t see what about his talk of consecrating one’s celibacy is so problematic. He is, I believe we can safely presume, a believing Catholic, i.e. a Catholic who sincerely believes what his Church teaches and tries to live accordingly. It is unsurprising that such a Catholic would want other Catholics to do the same.

    I wrote that Owens’ views — as he had summarized them — didn’t “seem at all extreme or outside the mainstream for a believing Roman Catholic.” As for my claim that a “great many Protestants would fully agree,” are you suggesting that mainstream Protestant moral teaching now approves of fornicating?

    I hope you now see, grantdale, what I meant: ‘Devote yourself to marriage in God’s name, or devote yourself to celibacy in God’s name’ sounds like perfectly orthodox Christian teaching to me.

    Now, I do not personally care about Damon Owens’ views on marriage. My only concern was that Timothy not paint Owens’ views as something they are not so as to suggest Owens has no business speaking about gay marriage.

    This demand by Owens is plainly and outright rejected by the overwhelming majority of lay people within the Church; let alone Christians outside it.

    Here you are leaving the realm of ethics and entering the realm of theology per se. How mainstream Owens’ theology of marriage is within Catholicism isn’t properly determined by how lay Catholics would judge it, let alone by the opinions of non-Catholics. It is properly determined by how Catholic theologians would judge it.

    None of this has anything to do with the purpose of this blog. Box Turtle Bulletin deals with the social-political, not with the religious-theological. The sites own mission statement says,

    It doesn’t matter if you’re Republicans or Democrat; liberal or conservative; Christians, Jew, Muslim or Buddhists; or even agnostic or atheist. Gays and lesbians are members of each of these groups, as are those who oppose equal rights for gays and lesbians.

    Timothy’s post read like a complaint that Opus Dei members like Owen aren’t liberal Protestants like himself instead of the conservative Catholics that they are. My opening objection was a warning about doing this sort of thing.

    I elaborated on this very point in my first reply to you. You don’t seem to have read it all that thoroughly.

    Nobody has replaced “your concern” with one of their own. On that you are fabricating points of argument.

    Au contraire, grantdale. You accused me of “pick[ing] and choose[ing] particular statements from Opus Die [sic].” As I told you before, I did no such thing. I compared a quote of Owens to Timothy’s assertion about Owens’ own beliefs. The one who was fabricating points of argument was you, not I.

    Please do not dig an even deeper hole for yourself by calling me a liar again. Our entire conversation can be easily checked by anyone right here on this very page.

    Buddy, if you want to object to a Timothy’s actual statement that Opus Dei is a rather extreme offshoot … you had better be ready to discuss the Opus Dei viewpoints on suffering. And many others.

    Buddy — I will reciprocate the favor even thought it should be clear we will never be buddies — Opus Dei’s views on suffering and other matters are wholly irrelevant to my objection. I objected to Timothy’s unstated, but still very clear, reasons for mentioning Opus Dei in the first place: to make Owens guilty of being a weirdo by association. (If you haven’t gotten this point now, my buddy, nothing short of a jackhammer applied to your head is likely to do the trick.)

    A post about Damon Owens of necessity must examine his viewpoints …

    If the post is on how Owens thinks, this is true.

    and that requires Opus Dei to be mentioned.

    No, it does not.

    Just how relevant Owens’ membership in Opus Dei is depends on the particular matters being examined.

    For his part, Timothy didn’t explain — in any way — how Damon Owens’ views on marriage are related to are influenced by Opus Dei.

    Doing so doesn’t make the post about Opus Dei, although this is obviously the real concern about the post from yourself.

    No, it isn’t. My real concern is exactly what I said it was in my original post, which I elaborated on in my first reply to you (as well as here). It isn’t my fault you are too involved in psychological projection to actually comprehend what I wrote.

    do you see what you’ve gone and done? That’s right: turned a post about Damon Owens into a post string full of discussion about Opus Dei.

    The obsession with Opus Dei is yours, not mine. If this thread has become all about them, the ownership of the deed belongs to you.

  12. Dave
    April 9, 2009

    grantdale,

    Now please permit me to deal with your wonderful postscript.

    I am more than happy to have Opus Dei fully examined, but they are not. I suspect it’s because — unlike homosexuality — the more people know about, the more they’d reject it.

    I am sure you are “happy to have Opus Dei fully examined.” I’m sure you’d be happy to write an expose on the group as long as an encyclopedia volume.

    Anyone who doubts that you are the one on this thread obsessed with Opus Dei needs only to read your PS.

    avoid using the term ‘gay activist’. It enables people to peg you to within the millimetre.

    Well, hells bells! This is a new form of political correctness I’ve never heard of before: The term ‘gay activist’ is unspeakable.

    I was under the impression that Timothy Kincaid was involved in real activism on pro-homosexual issues. I thought ‘gay activist’ was an accurate description of such a person.

    But wait! It seems the accuracy of the phrase itself isn’t the issue, but rather the precision with which I portray myself by using it.

    To tell me — and everyone else — just what my having the temerity to type out gay activist said about me. And why should I be so keen to hide it?

    Trying to draw a parallel between the past 40 years of open gay activism and the past 40 years of secretive Opus Dei activism is beyond laughable. It does you no credit.

    I suppose it would do me no credit — if I had done anything like it.

    What I actually did was:

    1. Point out that attempting to discredit a point of view by critiquing its position in the mainstream is an intellectually dishonest form of argument.

    2. Note that, since homosexuality has been considered outside the mainstream for most of American history (and still is so considered in many places), this tactic is especially foolish for anyone who is pro-homosexuality to use.

    You are arguing with a boogey man of your own invention, grantdale, not with me.

  13. grantdale
    April 11, 2009

    Sod off Dave.

    You deliberately did not answer anything, despite a whole lot of vomit coming out of your upper-front orifice..

    Any wonder: you know that Opus Dei are medieval freaks who scare the hell out of most Catholics. It’s no longer 1478, we hate to tell you.

    I’m also not going to continue to argue with a moron, and we are certainly not going to discuss whether Jim et al policy is to let some outside deadhead decide if something is “social-political” vs “religious-theological” One is allowed and one is not. Strict theological rules. That, frankly, sounds too much like something Opus Dei would do… and we don’t see Jim going there.

    In our experience Jim seems to be swift, and rely on the following…

    Importantly, ‘They’ have rules about sheer stupidity. That’s the rule you need to be most mindful of. ‘They’ do tolerate differing opinions here… but congenital stupidity appears not to be a legitimate excuse for a mindless evangelical post that refuses to address the questions.

    Yeah, snort, whatever. Read it as you like, it’s their blog. They’ll let you know the reality.

    But to be perfectly honest, we think you need more personal friends rather that more blog time. If you had more friends you might be better able to put the Church in context.

    Let us know when you are more qualified.

    —————————–

    ps: as the other half of grantdale, I can now declare this exchange ended for both of us. The other withdrew from the field too soon, the twerp.

  14. Marcus Greylight
    June 15, 2009

    I would not call Opus Dei an “extreme offshoot of the Catholic faith.” It is a rigidly orthodox group, to be sure, but it holds to the conservative view of doctrine which has always existed in the RC Church and it represents what was, prior to the second Vatican Council, fairly normative Catholic views on piety and morality.

    By saying it is an “offshoot,” you are implying that it deviates from Catholic teaching in some discernible way. Mortification is a very ancient practice and the only “innovation” within this group is that they take the communal life of the celibate religious (nun, monk, friar, etc.) and adapt it to lay people (married or celibate).

    If you’re getting your definition of Opus Dei from Dan Brown, that speaks more about yourself (and your views on proper scholarship) than it does about this Vatican-approved Catholic movement.

  15. masonic ritual
    June 25, 2010

    I believe that our good Lord never wants us to be hurt. I say that self inflicting pain as a practice is not what God wants us to do. He wants us to be with Him in our eternal life. The only way to do that is to accept Him as our personal Lord and Savior. No more sacrifices is needed, it has already been done by His son Jesus Christ.

  16. unlock
    August 12, 2010

    i disagree with you masonic hmmm

  17. Entsafter
    October 10, 2010

    I am the type of person that believes that God does not want us to inflict pain upon ourselves or others. The claim that self inflicting pain helps to remind ones self of God is also hard for me to believe because a true believer has no problems believing and thinking of God.

  18. MOISES IBRAHIM
    October 28, 2010

    COLEGIO RETAMAR: VICARÍA DE LOS ASALTOS A LA RAZÓN Y TRAICIÓN A CRISTO.
    VICARIO/VICARIOPUSDEI/VICARIOPUSEXDEI/VICARIOPUSECTDEI/VICARIOPUSADODEI/DON MOISÉS/MOISÉS IBRAHIM: EX SUPERNUMERARIO DE LA SANTA SUPREMA MAFIA DEL OPUS DEI Y EX EDUCADOR DEL ILUSTRE COLEGIO RETAMAR EN MADRID DURANTE TREINTA Y TRES AÑOS, SEDE, BUNKER, CUARTEL Y FORTALEZA DE LOS ASALTOS A LA RAZÓN, LAS ARCAS PÚBLICAS, LA SEGUIRIDAD SOCIAL, LAS SUBVENCIONES ESTATALES, LA COMUNIDAD DE MADRID, LOS PROPIOS EMPLEADOS, EL MANEJO DE LORD BLACK MONEY, EL CONTROL DE FUNDACIONES ILEGALES Y EL ENVÍO DE SAVIOUR BLACK MONEY A LAS AUTORIDADES ROMANAS. YO ESCRIBO A PESAR QUE ME HAYA SECUESTRADO EL OPUSDEISM, ME HAYA SOMETIDO A LA PERSECUCIÓN Y COMETER UN INTENTO DE HOMICIDIO CONTRA MI VIDA SAGRADA, A MANO DE DOCTOR SANTIAGO ESCRIVÁ DE BALAGUER, SOBRINO DEL FUNDADOR DE LA OBRA Y FUNDIDOR DE LOS DERECHOS HUMANOS, QUE FUÉ BAJO MIS ORDENES EN EL COLEGIO RETAMAR COMO ALUMNO. LA PLANIFICACIÓN DEL HOMICIDIO FUÉ PLANIFICADA CON LA COMPLICIDAD DE TELEFÓNICA DE ESPAÑA, ANTE LAS MIRADAS Y EL SILENCIO DE LA POLICIA FASCISTA ESPAÑOLA Y LOS JUECES BUSHITLERISTAS. LOS DOCUMENTOS RECOPILADOS DURANTE TREINTA Y TRES AÑOS DEL MINISTERIO DE EDUCACIÓN DE ESPAÑA Y DE LA INSTITUCIÓN EDUCATIVA RETAMAR SON INSTRUMENTOS PARA SELLAR LOS HOCICOS DE BORRICOS
    MOISES IBRAHIM: EX SUPERNUMERARIO DE LA SANTA SUPREMA MAFIA DEL OPUS Y WZ EDUCADOR DEL ILUSTRE COLEGIO RETAMAR EN MADRID DURANTE TREINTA Y TRES AÑOS, BUNKER, CUARTEL Y FORTALEZA DE LOS ASALTOS A LA RAZÓN, LAS ARCAN PÚBLICAS, LA SEGURIDAD SOCIAL. LA COMUNIDAD DE MADRID, LOS PROPIOS EMPLEADOS, EL MANEJO DEL LORD BLACK MONEY, EL CONTROL DE FUNDACIONES ILEGALES, Y EL ENVÍO DE SAVIOUR COLOURFUL MONEY A LAS AUTORIDADES ROMANAS. LA DEVORACIÓN DEL PAN DE LOS POBRES ES UNA REALIDAD DOCUMENTADA PARA FABRICAR RUEDAD DE MOLINOS PARA LOS ALTARES DEL QUE FUÉ MARQUÉS DE PERALTA Y TENÍA PARCELA COMPRADA EN EL CIELO. PAX IN AETERNUM HA DE SER PRECEDIDA Y ACOMPAÑADA CON PAX IN TERRA

  19. MOISES IBRAHIM
    October 28, 2010

    COLEGIO RETAMAR: ¿QUÉ ES OPUS DEI? ¿OPUS DEI? ¿ASSHOLE OPUS DEI?
    El OPUS DEI representa la SANTA SUPREMA MAFIA que no cesa santificar el trabajo destinado la aberración conceptual, el terrorísmp preceptual, la ignominia global, la ideología coaccional, la teología irracional, la persecución criminal, la cruzada universal , el apostolado ambicional, el radicalísmo descomunal y la inseminación neuronal. La ORACIÓN se mide por el ARMAMENTO LETAL en el CAMINAR del OPUS DEI.
    El mérito del OPUS DEI radica en CAMINO que encamina a un CAMINO CASTRENSE batallador e incediari que CAMINA en un MAR turbulento en el alzamiento de los PODERES IMPERIALES, las CAMINATA DICTATORIAL, el TOTALITARÍSMO DOCTRINAL, el RESURGIMIENTO MEDIEVAL, la INCARNACIÓN TRADICIONALISTA y la DUALIDAD SUBEXISTENCIAL. La ESPÂDA TOLEDANO se ha quedado vigente en la VIDA ESPIRITUAL del OPUS DEI.
    El MOVIMIENTO ESCRIVIANO se ha inscrito en la HISTORIA de la HUMANIDAD como el RESURGIMIENTO de una SECTA SECRETA NOBILIARIA que ostenta el MARQUESADO por DECRETO LEY que posteriormente ante el ESTUPOR POPULAR contra lo que nunca se ha PADECIDO en aquella epóca, se optó por la renuncia al TÍTULO NOBILIARIO y acogerse al LINAJE NOBILIARIO ABSTRACT.
    ES CRISTO QUE PASA, va y viene por el OPUS DEI para la culminación de la GRANDEZA desconmesurable del OPUS DEI. AMIGOS DE DIOS en las ANDADURAS SECTARIAS que se fundamentan en un CRISTO irreal, clonado y manipulado que contradice las directrices de la IGLESIA UN IVERSAL y sus CONGRECIONES. La DEVOCIÓN, AFECTO, AMOR y ARDOR no encuadran con el CAMINO INCEDIARIO, la CRUZADA de CAMINO.
    La VIDA ESTÉRIL y la UTILIDAD PERSONAL va ENCAMINADA a iluminar con la iluminaria de la FÉ y del AMOR todos los CAMINOS que ENCAMINAN a 999 CAMINOS de abandono en los brazos de la ESCLAVITUD de la INMORALIDAD, la DELICUENCIA ESPIRITUAL, LA CIENCIA APOSÓLICA, la INJUSTICIA SISTÉMATICA, el DESCONOCIMIENTO PROPIO, el ENDIOSAMIENTO ABISMAL, la INCOMPRENSIÓN UNIVERSAL y la INNATURALIDAD GLOBAL.

  20. MOISES IBRAHIM
    October 28, 2010

    COLEGIO RETAMAR: OPUS DEI? ¿QUE ES OPUS DEI? ¿QUÉ ES OPUS DEI?

    El OPUS DEI es una SECTA que INFECTA como los INSECTOS, produce ENFERMEDADES MENTALES CRÓNICAS, TRANSTORNOS SOCIALES IRREPARABLES, PERVERSIDADES CONCEPTUALES DEGENERATIVAS, PERTURBACIONES CONENCIALES DEFORMATIVAS, BEATERÍAS SEXUALES OBSESIVAS, ATRIBUTOS VIRILES MISOGÉNICOS, DEDCADENCIA CONFRATERNAL ALARMANTE y ATURDAMIENTO ESPIRITUAL INCESANTE.
    El OPUS DEI es una SECTA VATICANA destructiva en todos los TERRENOS, ÁMBITOS y ESCENARIOS de la VIDA TERRENAL y CELESTIAL. Los CEGADOS van dirigidos con CONTROLES REMOTOS y van MECANIZADOS para asimilar que TODO VALE LA PENA. La PENA no les APENA, a pesar de ser BENDITO el DOLOR según CAMINO de los 999 CAMINOS del CAMINO del OPUS DEI que conduce a ACAUDLAR RIQUEZAS a base de los ASALTOS a la RAZÓN.

    VICARIO : La VOZ de la VERDAD que hace LIBRE a los que se identifican con el AMOR que conduce a la JUSTICIA y por consiguiente a la PAZ a todos los NIVELES SOCIALES.
    VICARIOPUSDAY: PARTIDARIO de los POBRES padecientes de INJUSTICIAS PERMITIDAS, cuyo PAN se DEVORA por el OPUS DEI para FABRICAR RUEDAS de MOLINOS .
    VICARIOPUSDEI: ADMIRADOR de todos aquellos que se identifican con un CULTO CELESTIAL y abrazan el CAMINO IDEAL, la VERDAD DIVINA y la VIDA SAGRADA que no se NEGOCIA.
    VICARIOPUSEXDEI: DEFENSOR incansable de los DERECHOS HUMANOS y es un DERECHO de JUSTICIA apoyar a los COLECTIVOS de HOMOSEXUALES en sus DERECHOS LEGÍTIMOS.
    VICARIOPUSECTDEI: EVANGELIZADOR de las LIBERTADES TERRENALES, sin LIGARSE a la ESCLAVITUD SECTARIA del OPUS DEI. La DIGNIDAD y el HONOR son INNEGOCIABLES.
    DON MOISÉS: EX SUPERNUMERARIO de la SECTA y la SANTA SUPREMA MAFIA del OPUS DEI y EX EDUCADOR del ILUSTRE COLEGIO RETAMAR en MADRID durante TREINTA y TRES AÑOS, BUNKER de los ASALTOS a la RAZÓN, los ASALTOS a las ARCAS PÚBLICAS, el MANEJO de LORD BLACK MONEY y el CONTROL de FUNDACIONES ILEGALES. YO ESCRIBO Y LOS DOCUMENTOS HABLAN MEJOR QUE UNA DOCENA DE NOTARIAS. NO ESPERO QUE EL OPUS DEI ME VA A SECUESTRAR Y COMETER UN “COMPLOT” PARA ACABAR CON MI VIDA DE NUEVO. DOCTOR SANTIAGO ESCRIVÁ DE BALAGUER, SU CÓMPLICE DOCTOR SUÁREZ y la FASCISTA TELEFÓNICA DE ESPAÑA, TENÍAN QUE HABER RENDIDO CUENTAS ANTE LAS AUTORIDADES DE JUSTICIA. PAX IN AETERNUM Y LOS POBRES NO TIENEN “PAX IN TERRA

  21. MOISES IBRAHIM
    October 28, 2010

    COLEGIO RETAMAR: OPUS DEI PROSTITUTION AND ADULTERY OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
    The essence of wars, atrocities, genocides, barbaries and cruelties come out from the CATHOLIC CHURCH. CRUSADES are translated GUERRILLAS and CRUSADERS are devoted to TERRORISM. A CRUSADER is a TERRORIST, A MERCENARY and a WARRIOR of GOD in service of MEDIEVALIZED DOGMAS, IRREALITIES, PAPAPCY BONUS and REMOTE CONTROLLERS. CHRISTIANITY has become before ISLAM. ISLAM has kept some CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS and RENEWED OTHERS.
    CRUSADES are HOLY WARS (GUERRA SANTA). They are the HOLIEST of the HOLY WARS. If ISLAM had followed or adopted a rough IDEOLOGY, it would have been inherited from CHRISTIANITY. CRUSADERS have the fathers of BLOODSHED. HOLINESS was based on the PROPORTION of the QUANTITY of BLOOD you FLOW, the NUMBER of HEADS. you DECAPITATE and the QUALITY of the THROATS you CUT. CRUSADERS have been promised the HEAVEN, but they have gained the HELLS of the HELLS.
    BROTHERS the JEWISH have been persecuted and humiliated by the EUROPEAN COUNTRIES who are the VATICAN PLANET FOLLOWERS. I have seen a witness for the ABERRANANT TREATMENT to the JEWISH in SPAIN. At the SIXTIES, the JEWISH were christened or baptized as the rats of drainage at the HOLY MASS or EVERWHERE you GO. It was enough to hear “YOU ARE A JEWISH” at all times.
    The HOLOCAUST MAKERS have not been MUSLIM and BIN LADEN has not been born yet, and even BIN LADEN may have assimilated some teachings and ideologies from the CHRISTIAN CHURCH. The RIGHT of JUSTICE command me to say that CRUSADES, HOLOCAUSTS, BUSHITERISM, FUHRER RATZINGER BIN BUSH and ZIONISM radicalize the BLOOD of CROCODRILES and make it BOIL, until it EXPLODES as CLUSTER BOMBS, that CHRISTIANITY and ZIONISM send to the POOR CHILDREN at CHRISTMAS.
    I was a SUPERNUMERARY MEMBER at OPUS DEI HOLY MAFIA and at the same time I EDUCATED two GENERATIONS at the most distinguished school in EUROPE for OPUS DEI, COLEGIO RETAMAR in MADRID for THIRTY THREE YEARS, that are translated into TWO TRINITIES (33) which HONOUR, ENNOBLE, GLORIFY and DIGNIFY the FOUNDER of OPUS DEI, the EX MARQUIS de PERALTA in his PROPER TOMB.
    HONOUR and DIGNITY are PRICLESS and both are not BOUGHT or SOLD, as OPUS DEI have tried and worked with me. RIGHT of JUSTICE and FREEDOM of EXPRESSION make me NOT ABDICATE and NOT GIVE IN before the CORRUPTIONS of OPUS DEI, KIDNAPPING ME and ATTEMPTS of HOMICIDE against my CONSACRED LIFE, and NOT ADMIT, and NOT ACCEPT BLACKMAILS, THREATS, FRIGHTENINGS, and INTIMIDATIONS, as I have been EDUCATED at a MUSLIM FAMILY, and OPUS DEI HAVE TRIED TO DISEDUCATE ME and BRING ME TO THE CULTURE OF TORTURES, GENOCIDES AND CORRUPTIONS. I still keep CHARASTISTICS of my PRIMITIVE ARABIC and MUSLIM CULTURE. FAITHFULLY and LOYALTY are TREASURES that make me PROUD to my ORIGINS.
    I WAS born in PALESTINE and I spent my childhood under the TREES of OLIVES at the WEST BANK of JORDAN. LIFE, CULTURE and my PARENTS (ALLAH BLESS their SOILS) have made me a MAN identified with VIRTUES and VALUES. I have been educated at CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS in PALESTINE and I have never studied ISLAM. I still do not know how MUSLIMS pray and I have no good KNOWLEDGE and ISLAM TEACHINGS. I was asked at the first day of joining EDUCATION “What religion do you believe in ? I answered “GOD”. Then, I was asked “What else?” I answered “What else do you want more than GOD?.
    It has MANIPULATED that there is a SHOCK BETWEEN WESTERN CULTURE and ARABIC or MUSLIM CULTURE. I see that it is found an ORGASMIC SHOCK. Modern societies are looking forward to PRESENT REALITIES, NOT MEDIEVALIZED DOGMAS, NOT PAPACY BONUS, NOT REMOTE BODY CONTROLLERS, NOT CHURCH SLAVERY, NOT RELIGIOUS RADICALISM, NOT SPIRITUAL TERRORISM, NOT ASSAULTS ON REASON, and NOT WARS ON ERROR. OPUS DEI proclaim “PAX IN AETERNUM” at GREETING, but YOU MUST GET INVOLVED and WORK for “PAX IN TERRA”, then SANTIFY YOUR WORK ON EARTH.
    VICARIO, VICARIOPUSDAY/VICARIOPUSDEII/DON MOISÉS/MOISÉS IBRAHIM: EX OPUS DEI SUPERNUMERARY and EX EDUCATOR at the most distinguished school in EUROPE, as OPUS DEI says, COLEGIO RETAMAR in MADRID, for THIRTY THREE YEARS, a BUNKER for ASSAULTS on REASON, PUBLIC TREASURY, HEALTH SECURITY, PUBLIC SUBVENTIONS, MADRID COMMUNITY, PROPER EMPLOYEES, DEAL WITH LORD BLACK MONEY IN INVISIBLE CASSOCKS, found ILLEGAL FOUNDATIONS in INVISIBLE HIJABS, SEND COLOURFUL MONEY to ROMAN AUTHORITIES IN INVISIBLE BURKAS, KIDNAP FORMER EDUCATOR DON MOISÉS, COMMIT COMPUTING PROSTITUTION, SUPLANT the SPANISH POLICE, CLONE ANTI VIRUS BRANDS, SANCTIFY SCAMS WORK, ENTER EMAILS AND CHANGE HINT QUESTIONS, BLESS ADULTERY OF HUMAN RIGHTS, INVADE PRIVACY, CELEBRATE GENOCIDES at GAZA and tell me “GO BACK TO PALESTINE” at that GENOCIDE NIGHT. It honour me to repeat the same what I have said and answered at that moment “the BOOTS that an ISRAELÍ SOLDIER wear HONOUR, ENNOBLE, GLORIFY, DIGNIFY, and SANCTIFY the EX MARQUIS de PERALTA and the SUPPOSED SAINT in his PROPER TOMB. The TITLE of MARQUIS has been bought and the SAINT LINESS has been FINANCED until ETHERNITY. I feel obliged to point out the TERRORIST SPIRITUAL ROLE that DOCTOR SANTIAGO ESCRIVÁ DE BALAGUER has played to GIVE END TO MY CONSACRED LIFE, with his ACOMPLICE DOCTOR SUÁREZ, MEDICAL ASSOCIATION NUMBER 36190, together with all the COMMUNICATION ARMAMENTS of BIN LADENIST TELEFÓNICA DE ESPAÑA, an OPUS DEI OCTOPUSY. KEEP IN MIND that SANTIAGO is the NEPHEW of the EX MARQUIS de PERALTA and he was A SUDENT at my ORDERS. I keep the HONOUR and DIGNITY of having EDUCATED two GENERATIONS from the ones who come from FASCISM, DICTATORSHIP, CHURCH SLAVERY, GREATNESSES of SPAIN, ARISTOCRACY, NOBILITY, HIGHNESS and ROYALTY. I would like you to get involved and have LOVE incrusted into your HEART, JUSTICE impressed into your SOUL and PEACE devoted on your WAY on the LOVELY STAGE of LIFE. I still keep full respect for all those ones who I have educated and most of them come from SPANISH HISTORY MAKERS and they are still making HISTORY, PROGRESS and CIVILZATION, such as, LOPEZ BRAVO, SÁNCHEZ BELLA, NAVARRO, NAVARIO RUBIO, ADOLFO SUÁREZ, CANÓVAS DEL CATILLO, KINDELÁN, MASÓLIVER, URIQUJO, QUESADA, AGAG, BOTÍN, CARLOS SAÍZ, HIS MAJEST´S NEPHEWS, AND MANY OTHERS.

  22. MOISES IBRAHIM
    October 28, 2010

    COLEGIO RETAMAR (OPUS DEI): SANTIAGO ESCRIVÁ DE BALAGUER SPIRITUAL TERRORISM.
    CHURCH SCANDALS have rocked the VATICAN and OPUS DEI, due to the ECCLESIASTIC MARRIAGE between the MEDIEVALIZED POLISH PAPACY and the FOLLOWERS of the EX MARQUIS de PERALTA, a TITLE that has been BOUGHT and the SAINTLINESS has been FINANCED until ETHERITY. It is well know that OPUS DEI controls the VATICAN PLANET with POWER, POSSESSIONS and INVISIBLE CASSOCKS. VATICAN and OPUS DEI WALL are not so THICK any more and DIRTY CLOTHES are WASHED everywhere. YOU needn´t wash your CLOTHES in “CASA” and then drink the DIRTY WATER. CHURCH and OPUS DEI slavery, opression, radicalism, corruption, wars on error, mistaken dogmas, papacy bonus and remote body controllers have given a WAY of the 999 WAYS of the WAY to FREEDOM and LIBERTY. LIBERALISM is a question of SURVIVAL. The ERA of TECHNOL;OGY requieres EARTHLY REALITIES and HEAVEN TALE STORIES. TECHNOLOGY has over the OMNIPOTENCE of GOD and the MEDIEVALIZED NEURON are still hidden in their INVISIBLE CASSOCKS to carry on ASSAULTS on REASON, ASSAULTS on PUBLIC TREASURY, ASSAULTS on HEALTH SECURITY, ASSAULTS on PUBLIC SUBVENTIONS, ASSAULTS on MADRID COMMUNITY, ASSULTS on PROPER EMPLYEES, ASSAULTS on POOR NATIONS, ASSAULTS ON FREEDOM, ASSAULTS ON LIBERTY, ASSAULTS ON JUSTICE, ASSAULTS on DOCTRINES, ASSAULTS on HUMAN RIGHTS, ASSAULTS on PRIVACY, ASSAULTS on TECHNOLOGY, ASSAULTS on CHOICE and ASSAULTS on HUMAN RIGHTS. My CONSCIENCE directs me and I will never ABDICATE. I am not FRIGHTENED of OPUS DEI HOLY SUPREME MAFIA and YOU DIE ONCE, but with HONOUR and DIGNITY in favour of WORLDWIDE JUSTICE, that must be governed by LOVE (A UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE) which leads to JUSTICE and then to PEACE at PERSONAL, COLLECTIVE, NATIONAL and INTERNATIONAL LEVELS.
    I do not think that DOCTOR SANTIAGO ESCRIVÁ DE BALAGUER who is the SUPPOSED SAINT´S NEPHEW, his ACOMPLICE DOCTOR SUÁREZ, and the COMMUNICATION ARMAMENTS of BIN LADENIST “TELEFÓNICA DE ESPAÑA” will KIDNAP ME AGAIN and COMMIT another ATTEMPT of HOMICIDE against my CONSACRED LIFE. THEY ARE HEARTLESS and SOULESS. THEY HAVE SEVEN SOULS LIKE CATS.
    VICARIO/VICARIOPUSDAY/DON MOISÉS/MOISÉS IBRAHIM: EX OPUS DEI SUPERNUMERARY and EX EDUCATOR of the most DISTINGUISHED and ELITIST SCHOOL as OPUS DEI in EUROPE, as OPUS FOLLOWERS say, “COLEGIO RETAMAR”, for THIRTY THREE YEARS, A BUNKER of ASSAULTS on REASON, THIRTY THREE YEARS (33) are TRANSLATED into TWO TRINITIES that HONOUR, ENNOBLE, GLORIFY and DIGNIFY the EX MARQUIS in his PROPER TOMB. DOCUMENTS SPEAK and I WRITE.

  23. MOISES IBRAHIM
    October 28, 2010

    COLEGIO RETAMAR: PACTAR CON LOS DIABLOS (OPUS DEI).
    La VIDA me ha dado tanto para APRENDER y me ha ADHIESTRADO a la METODOLOGÍA SATÁNICA que caracteriza al OPUS DEI para lograr sus fines de SANTIDAD que conduce a la SATANIDAD hasta la ETERNIDAD.
    La REDACCIÓN del siguiente ESCRITO radica en la JUBILACIÓN ANTICIPADA a la que me ha SOMETIDO el OPUS DEI, aplicando la IDEOLOGÍA de CAMINO que abarca 999 CAMINOS de la SANTA SUPREMA MAFIA del OPUS DEI y la ESPIRITUALIDAD TERRORÍSTA de su FUNDADOR y FUNDIDOR de los DERECHOS HUMANOS.
    El OPUS DEI, en la persona del actual DIRECTOR GENERAL del ILUSTRE COLEGIO RETAMAR, JOSÉ LUIS ALIER, ha puesto todo el ARSENAL que POSEE para ENTERRAR lo que NUNCA se ha NARRADO, LEÍDO, ESCUCHADO y HECHO. El MALHECHOR que está al frente de la INSTITUCIÓN EDUCATIVA ha puesto una PRECIO a MI HONOR HUMANO y mi DIGNIDAD PROFESIONAL.
    Los ESCLAVOS de la INMORALIDAD de la HERENCIA del EX MARQUIS de PERALTA están dados a estas ANDADURAS de INTENTAR subastar HONORES, comprar DIGNIDADES y MANIPULAR LEYES para AJUSTARLOS a sus NECESIDADES, según las NEURONAS RANCIAS que son propios de las EDADES MEDIAS. Las INJUSTICIAS permitadas son inherentes del OPUSDEÍSMO.
    La OFERTA se ADJUDICÓ pero sin RENUNCIAR al DERECHO de JUSTICIA que me AMPARA para defender las LEYTES CONSTITUCIONALES, los DERECHOS CIVILES, la MORALIDAD HUMANA y la DIGNIDAD del SER y ESTAR. El ALIER, no ARIEL, me entregó TREINTA Y SIETE MIL EUROS de LORD BLACK MONEY, PROCEDENTE de las FUNDACIONES ILEGALES del OPUS DEI.

    Moisés Ibrahim en nombre propio y José Luis Alier en representación del Colegio Retamar acuerdan que, teniendo Moisés Ibrahim una jornada laboral del quince por ciento, que representa un total de 5-25 horas semenales conforme el contrato de relevo firmado con fecha uno de noviembre de dos mil tres, el Colegio Retamar renuncia a esas horas de trabajo, dispensando de la presencia de Moisés Ibrahim en el Colegio desde la fecha de hoy hasta su jubilación definitiva. A cambio Moisés Ibrahim procederá a su jubilación total en el menor plazo de tiempo legal posible, asegurando previamente que esa nueva situación no le produzca una pérdida económica tanto en el momento de producirse esta jubilación total como en el futuro.
    En Pozuelo de Alarcón, a cinco de febrero de dos mil cuatro,
    José Luis Alier Gándaras Moisés Ibrahim.
    Colegio Retamar
    Sello del Colegio Retamar.

    MOISÉS IBRAHIM: EX SUPERNUMERARIO DEL OPUS DEI Y EX EDUCADOR DEL ILUSTRE COLEGIO RETAMAR EN MADRID DURANTE TREINTA Y TRES AÑOS, BUNKER DE LOS ASALTOS A LA RAZÓN. LOS DOCUMENTOS TESTIMONIAN EL LORD BLACK MONEY, PROCEDENTE DE LAS FUNDACIONES ILEGALES DEL OPUS DEI Y SELLAN LOS HOCICOS DE BORRICOS.

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