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  1. David
    April 23, 2009

    Bruce: Hard to swallow, but I guess so.

    It’s just that we live in a culture that insists there has to be some rational behind any strange hatreds/perversions. If this were a Hollywood movie, we’d find out that a gay man ran over OSC’s puppy when he was a kid, or maybe some gay bullies beat him up and made his life hell when he was doing theater.

    I think it’s the same instinct that made people instantly try and find others to blame for the Columbine Murders (ten years ago now!), or try and find motive behind serial killers… see the movie American History X where they show in the end that the main character’s racism is because his father (a bigot himself) was murdered by a black man.

    It’s easier to accept then the rather frightening notion that people have entirely irrational, intense hatreds that are entirely unjustified. But I guess it’s probably the case.

  2. John Small Berries
    April 23, 2009

    Orson Scott Card wrote: “Regardless of law, marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy.”

    Isn’t there anything lurking at the back of Card’s mind suggesting that it might be somewhat ironic for him to publicly espouse that sentiment, given that the Mormon faith he holds dear once attempted to change the definition of marriage to include polygamy?

  3. David C.
    April 23, 2009

    Clearly, OSC has deep issues. Some deep emotional scar might explain it, but by any standard of measure this guy needs counseling.

    The nutcases and kooks behind such profound anti-gay sentiment are far more disordered than any of the allegedly immoral homosexual personalities conjured up in their propaganda or the fiction of OSC.

    My only hope that by being so far out of the mainstream, these organizations will be exposed and finally discredited to the point of ultimate rejection by anyone with two neurons to rub together.

  4. Chris Swanson
    April 23, 2009

    I can’t think of enough really, really unkind things to say about Card. I wrote an article on my blog about his words on gay marriage last year. What a craptacular ass he is.

  5. Jester
    April 24, 2009

    David C-

    You missunderstood American History X.

    For half the movie, we’re led to believe Edward Nortons character is a bigot because his father was killed by a black man.

    In the end we learn that’s all BS, and that he was a bigot for the same reason the vast majority of bigots are – his father taught him to be one.

    As a very young man, Orson Scott Card campaigned for the pre-reformation George Wallace. The pro-Segregation George Wallace. The anti-Miscegenation George Wallace.

    Of course, since his Church changed its official stance on such issues, he had to find somewhere else to direct the bigotry his father taught him to embrace.

  6. grantdale
    April 24, 2009

    Well… I always found his writing to be bad. Bad as in the way most all of the SF(or do I mean BS)-affiliated genre was bad. Over written. Presumptuous. Fantastic, and not in a good way. It didn’t help that I was an engineering student at the time and near lost my eyeballs noticing the absurd pretences.

    Than again, I also felt 1960′s Ayn Rand was ditto so what would I know.

    (A: a lot, apparently).

    If I need name one novel that had an impact on me at that time… in moize late teens… it would be ‘Dead Souls’ by Gogol. There are several translations, and I still cannot put my finger on which one tickled my fancy so much at that time.

    It is, to be honest, rather like a trying to read a funny, sarcastic, dry novel about Auschwitz. An impossible task, one might assume.

    But, I think, in all the absurdity, Gogol made the clear point that hypocrisy and accommodation about slavery was ‘perhaps’ worse than slavery itself in some ways. Not to the slaves and etc, of course, but with regard to the corrosive effect on others. I laughed myself stupid reading it, little knowing in my youthful nativity that I would encounter such people throughout my adult life. Yeah, real funny that discovery is.

    Perhaps I need to send a copy to Maggie Gallagher.

    Then again, even if she did read it she’d probably just say it was a book about farming in Russia. And, somehow, The Gays(c) were to blame for crop failure. And slavery.

    So few of us, and yet so powerful.

  7. Dale Masters
    April 27, 2009

    I used to believe (in the ’70′s !) that if people grew any more stupid, society would have to collapse under the weight of its own mindlessness.

    I live under a rock now ( or at least I try to)…

  8. We Need More Cards
    May 6, 2009

    Orson Scott Card, and all Christians, for that matter, are not anti-gay. They are pro-Marriage. There is a significant difference.

    I know Orson Scott Card personally and he is a compassionate man, which his novels prove beyond question. He is not a closet homosexual, but a loving husband and father. He is an exemplary citizen, who stands up for moral values and voices his opinion even when it is not politically correct.

    It is shameful to disparage a man whose concern is strengthening his family and shoring up fading values in our nation. He loves his gay friends, but at the same time he doesn’t believe we should weaken marriage or change millennia of tradition for an alternative route that shows little scientific evidence of strengthening our communities and nation. His articles are a beacon of common sense, not radical fundamentalism.

    Let’s choose to stop the hate speech and try to understand those with different opinions. As Card’s books illustrate beautifully, when we open ourselves to what at first seems disgusting and alien, we learn and grow in ways we never thought possible.

  9. Jeffrey
    May 6, 2009

    I am a gay sci-fi fan, and I am NO FRIEND of Orson Scott Card. I unfortunately only learned of his beliefs very recently, but I will no longer purchase or read his books, comic adaptations of his work, or attend a film adaptation.

    He most certainly is NOT a “beacon of common sense”. He absolutely IS a radical fundamentalist. I cannot see how a presumably intelligent, educated person can continue to swallow the lies of religion in the 21st century. I am offended that he regurgitates those lies with such abandon, hatred, and intolerance.

    It is Card who needs to “choose to stop the hate speech”, and he who needs to open himself to what is alien to him. This is true for everyone who has succumbed to delusion of religion. The truth is I know nothing about the nature of the universe or the will of it’s creator, AND NEITHER DO YOU. It’s time religious people admitted this, and come down off their high horses and share the planet with the rest of us.

    Slavery was once a tradition. Segregation. The disempowerment of women. If those who think that gay marriage will somehow weaken the tradition of heterosexually priviledged marriage as a whole continue with their archaic, obsolete, elitist, isolationist, patriarchal, supernatural and mythological mindset, they are going to be left behind.

  10. Walt
    May 16, 2009

    If the posters here are former fans of Card and have some of his books, what you can do is sell them at a garage sale, ebay or whatever, then donate that money to the People for the American Way, the Serviceman’s Legal Defense Network or other worthy gay friendly organizations – this could have two benefits: 1. Keeps Card from getting the royalties from those books that otherwise may have been sold and 2. The money goes to help fund Gay friendly organization. Sales from Card’s books to help fund organizations that support gay causes – irony?

  11. Laughing Bunny
    August 25, 2009

    Thanks everyone for your thoughtful comments.

    I was raised mormon, and OSC books were widely praised as works of genius by my community.

    Perhaps my expectations were just too high, but after reading Ender’s Game and one other in the Alvin Maker series, I couldn’t bring myself to enter his fantasy worlds again.

    Particularly in Ender’s Game as OSC goes to extravagant lengths to explain why his main character is innocent of genocide and murder (of another boy) and excuses abusive and deceitful behavior by the authority figures as “necessary for training”. The ends justify the means, was my take away impression of the meta-moral of this story.

    Of the Alvin Maker book I have to agree with a previous poster that there was an oily, “unctuous” feel of self-justification and an odd, almost masochistic satisfaction in the persecution of his main character.

    I don’t doubt that OSC believes himself to be “an exemplary citizen and loving father and husband.” As an ex-mormon, I saw that most of the lay people do their best to be good citizens and neighbors. As an ex-mormon I also have to say that this institution has HUGE issues with human sexuality. There is good reason Utah leads the nation in anti-depressant drug use.

  12. William Muraskin
    April 25, 2010

    I would like to thank all those who have written on this blog. I find them helpful in dealing with the problem of what to do one’s love of Orson Scott Card books. I had read the Ender series years ago and just re-read Ender’s Game with great pleasure despite the passage of 25 year! It came as a great shock to hear of the author’s extreme anti-gay views. I heard of his position right after I had purchased 5 of his books for my kindle. I immediately called Kindle and asked for them to take them off my machine and refund my money and I was gratified when they in fact did so. I will not give him any money now or in the future to fund his intolerant political activity. I must admit that I still love his work and am very tempted to buy his books second hand – so that I don’t support him but still have access to books I love. However, the prospect does leave me somewhat guilt ridden. Can I read his work knowing what kind of repellent human being he is? On the one hand I loved Agatha Christie when I was a kid and simply ignored that she was an anti-semite (though it hurt me to know that an author I loved hated me). But so many great authors have hated the Jews I didn’t see much choice except to ignore it. The same is true about homophobes. Most Americans are homophobic – though toleration and even acceptance is growing – slowly. But to make the situation more complex (and worse) I was told that Orson Scott Card was doing more than simply speaking out and joining crazy anti-gay organizations. He was also funding “research” into the causes of homosexuality for the express purpose of “preventing” the birth of homosexuals. If true (and I have not been able so far to confirm it) that is Nazi-style behavior and genocidal in intent and goes beyond simple every day homophobia. If true, can I still read the man’s work without cringing? Would I read good sci fi by Hitler?
    P.S. I am an historian but was trained as a psycho-analyst and I must admit that someone as obsessed with gay people as OSC does raise the suspicion that he wants to suppress (or kill off) gay people in order to kill the gay part of himself.

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