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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyJune 2nd, 2009
Facebook has become a ubiquitous communications and organizing tool encompassing a whole range of topics. Many of the groups are based on entertainment, hobbies, religion and spirituality, history, politics — you name it. Even hate groups advocating the murder of gays and lesbians.
One such hate group with a Facebook presence is the “Kill Out Dem Batty Man” group. “Batty Man” is Caribbean slang for gay men. Most of the group members appear to be from Trinidad and Tobago, although the Jamaican person who tipped me to it identifies the patois dialect as Jamaican. The Facebook group is listed under “Beliefs & Causes.”
Facebook page for "Kill Out Dem Batty Man" (click to enlarge)
The Facebook group page itself runs counter to Facebook’s terms of service. You can report TOS violations here. I’ve already done so. Almost all of the comments left on the page are universal in their endorsements of lethal brutality against LGBT people. Some of the messages left on this group’s wall include, “bullit gone lick up them bludclut battyman fi dead” (followed by the sound of a machine gun), “gun shots for all dem fucking guys………. they to [sic] fucking stink,” and “no batty men shud be on dis earth.”
The Facebook group pages carries the description, “this group not for faggits” [sic] — although it appears that one gay man from London refused to heed that advice. Thom protested, “But we throw such lovely dinner parties. Lots of love xx.”
There’s more at the Jamaican Forum for Lesbians, Allsexuals and Gays (JFLAG).
Update: Well that didn’t take long. Facebook took the page down sometime between 5:20 and 5:45 PST. We heartily commend Facebook for taking such swift action.
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michael
June 2nd, 2009
Facebook has a “Report Group” link at the bottom of every group page (assuming you’re a facebook user). One of the reasons for reporting the group is “attacks an individual or group”—I think this certainly counts. I have reported the group, but I think others doing so would be good too.
Jason D
June 2nd, 2009
I’ve reported the group and the organizer to facebook, I’ve also posted this very BTB article on Facebook as well to encourage my friends to report the group as well.
Scott P.
June 2nd, 2009
I can’t find how to report this group, but I did post my outrage and called for them to be shut down. This is sickening!
Scott P.
June 2nd, 2009
I’ll start another Facebook group (if I can figure out how) calling for this hate group to be shut down and it’s members thrown off of Facebook.
Happy N. Gay
June 2nd, 2009
It seems like everyone’s efforts have paid off. As of 8:45pm EST on 6/2/2009, I cannot find that group on Facebook. Nice work all! :)
Lindoro Almaviva
June 2nd, 2009
Well, seems that FaceBook already deleted this group, as I could not find it 5 minutes after I reported it and posted this article on my wall. Can anyone confirm.
Scott, I’d be down for that. if you start it, let me know and I’ll gladly join.
Jason D
June 2nd, 2009
yeah, can’t find the group, but did find the organizer. He’s even updated his profile photo since I reported him.
I imagine it’s a more strenuous process to warn/remove a person than it is to remove a group. At the very least I hope facebook sent him a warning.
Lindoro Almaviva
June 2nd, 2009
could the name of the organizer be given? i’d be nice to have several people report him for enticing hatred and get him kicked out of Facebook.
Scott P.
June 2nd, 2009
I saw the group once, couldn’t find it again. I’d like to know the creator’s name. I’d blare it all over Facebook until he’s driven off!
Jason D
June 2nd, 2009
Jim, I have a link to his profile because facebook sent me an email asking for the same information they ask when you fill out the form on the website. This isn’t my site, so I’d rather not post that without your input.
Priya Lynn
June 3rd, 2009
When I see something this, I wonder about those who champion absolute freedom of speech and say “I’d rather have bigots be out in the open where we can see what they’re thinking then driven underground where we can’t keep tabs on them.”. Do they feel the same way about something like this?
werdna
June 3rd, 2009
Priya Lynn-I’m not sure freedom of speech is really the issue with something like Facebook. Facebook is a private environment and they can make whatever rules they like (or just make arbitrary decisions) about things like this. So, for many of us who are advocates of free speech Facebook removing this group is fine (just as BTB removes offensive posts which violate the comments policy) whereas the government requiring Facebook to do so wouldn’t be.
Trevor
June 3rd, 2009
And here I was all ready to put up links to that hate-site on my Gay Fascist Party group so we could all have a good laugh. Oh well, good riddance.
JEFF
June 3rd, 2009
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?sid=3b9c290cf96b35a80a0a01b570ff87fb&gid=2202115353&ref=search
Another site.Just did a search on facebook for batty man. there are several.
Priya Lynn
June 3rd, 2009
Werdna I’ve frequently heard people make that distinction. I think its rather disingenuous. If you believe free speech is a good idea for government it doesn’t stop being a good idea for private organizations. Its kind of like saying “honesty is the best policy for Joe” and then “There’s no reason for Ted to believe honesty is the best policy”.
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