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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyJune 4th, 2009
Grove City College (PA) professor Warren Throckmorton has embarked on an ambitious and well-researched series of articles examining Scott Lively’s anti-gay Holocaust revisionist theories. Lively’s book, The Pink Swastika, puts forth the thesis that “the Nazi Party was entirely controlled by militaristic male homosexuals throughout its short history.” According to Lively, it was gay people who brought World War II to Europe, built the gas chambers, and sent as many as twelve million people to their deaths.
Warren has posted three parts to his series so far in which he methodically lays out background which led Lively to formulate his thesis. Warren traces the roots of his thesis to the 1992 campaign in Oregon for Ballot Measure 9, a draconian proposal which would have compelled the state to actively promote anti-gay propaganda in the public schools while prohibiting LGBT people any recourse in the courts. Gay rights activists drew parallels to Measure 9 and Nazi laws against homosexuality. Lively and Pink Swastika co-author Kevin Abrams sought to thwart that development by turning the argument on its head, claiming that it was the gay rights movement itself which had its origins in the Nazi party. Warren investigates some of Abrams’ many distortions of historical texts to arrive at their contention.
All three parts in the series provide an essential view of the origins of the Pink Swastika meme, and I look forward to further installments in the series.
May 31: Eliminating Homosexuality: Modern Uganda and Nazi Germany.
June 3: Before the Pink Swastika.
June 4: Kevin Abrams: The Other Side of the Pink Swastika
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nuggetTX
June 4th, 2009
I’m confused. Isn’t Throckmorton anti-gay rights?
Richard W. Fitch
June 4th, 2009
It seems to me that Throckmorton is an interesting figure as both nemesis and ally. He has a distinctly conservative Christian bias, but nonetheless is able to call to task those who corrupt any sense of truth. Yes, he has spoken out negatively regarding certain aspects of gay rights. However, this current series of blog entries sets him on the side of justice and truth. Obviously not an easy man to label and pigeonhole.
Priya Lynn
June 4th, 2009
I think Throckmorton has been questioning his anti-gay beliefs and is on a path towards righteousnous. At least that’s what I hope is happening.
William
June 4th, 2009
Yes, it does look as though Throckmorton may be a good way along the road to Damascus. Let’s hope so.
Timothy Kincaid
June 4th, 2009
I would say that Dr. Throckmorton is an intellectually honest conservative Christian.
Regan DuCasse
June 5th, 2009
Didn’t Doc Throck know what was up with Lively and Co before?
It seems rather that he’s closing the barn door after the horse has left and what does he plan on doing about Lively?
Dr. T has been stronger against gay people than people like Lively, no matter what we’ve said.
As long as anti gay sentiment is posited as NOT the way to live, period. Not just a matter of religious choice not to, then what kind of cred does Throckmorton thinks he has with someone like Lively?
Consciousness requires clarity to make the right inroads and have the proper INFLUENCE where it needs to be.
Ex gays are square in the middle of mixed messages. Not strong enough even if they are not especially hostile towards gay people. That they call themselves ‘living proof’ that one doesn’t HAVE to be gay, is enough to allow the other side to retain their own deeply held beliefs, and ex gays give them NO reason to change it.
And although MANY ex gays assert their good intentions…
They are like bringing a water pistol to a wildfire.
You might go in thinking you can help, but the effort is not even worth bothering once all the damage is already done. They reinforce an already entrenched tradition, they don’t lessen it.
Why would Throckmorton think Lively gives a shit about what he thinks?
Lively is’nt worried a bit. Why should he be?
Timothy Kincaid
June 5th, 2009
Regan,
While I did inform Alan Chambers in advance, I didn’t tell Dr. Throckmorton about Lively’s Uganda conference.
And I’m not sure Dr. T could be accurately considered an advocate for the ex-gay movement any longer. He supports living consistent with one’s theology and values, but I don’t think he buys into the “change” stuff as much any more.
And he does have a voice in the conservative Christian community. He does get quoted and printed and if I were looking for contributions from conservative Christians I wouldn’t want to be debunked by Dr. Throckmorton.
Regan DuCasse
June 8th, 2009
Thanks Tim. I suppose that the Ugandan issue might have gotten past Dr. T’s radar, but Lively and Co couldn’t have. The agenda of Lively has been out there for a long time.
If Dr. T is changing his approach or communicating in a different way these days, well okay.
However, that gay folks are debated at all regarding changing goes ridiculously deep.
Even deeper is that gay people SHOULD order their lives as if a priest or nun and denounce having a committed adult relationship precisely because of a legacy I doubt Dr. T could fight as effectively as needed.
Just sayin’.
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