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  1. Ray
    December 10, 2009

    Thank you Timothy and Jim. I love you guys. If you have any underbloggers assisting you, my love to them, too. This is the just the most incredibly good and compassionate reporting I’ve ever seen. I have to include Rachel Maddow in on this. Between TBT and Rachael, you may have saved thousands of lives.

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

  2. Lynn David
    December 10, 2009

    In that same statement the Catholic Church put forward a policy to NOT criminalize homosexuality:

    The Holy See continues to advocate that every sign of unjust discrimination towards homosexual persons should be avoided and urges States to do away with criminal penalties against them.

    However, if you read the entire statement it is the Vatican’s policy not to affirm that anyone is homosexual and necessarily needs their rights protected. Yes, it’s a rather schizoid statement.

    The Catholic Church sees no ‘right to homosexuality’ because it does not see the gay people as a subset of the ‘natural law’ human condition. Thus while it urges states to do away with criminalizing homosexuality, the Catholic Church see no need to make it the policy of the UN, thus giving the idea a weight in law. This gives the Church the freedom to speak out of both sides of its mouths and allow suffragean dioceses to compete with other Christians in countries such as Uganda to see who can be more homophobic.

  3. Ben
    December 11, 2009

    You know, when the Catholic Church takes a stand on “kill babies” bills (rather than “kill gays” bill) they are routinely told to shut up and mind their own business.

    The Catholic Church is pretty much against all forms of violence–abortion, the death penalty, violence against homosexuals, violence against heterosexuals, violence against rodeo clowns, vegetarians, libertarians, communitarians, rotarians, etc.

    Unlike the Boxturtle Bulletin, they don’t believe that killing a homosexual because he’s a homosexual is a more vicious crime than killing a homosexual drug dealer because you want to take his drugs. I’m talking about the phoney Mathew Shepard “hate crime” of course.

    The Catholic Church is even against war, unless it rises to the “just war” standard, which is a pretty high bar to reach.

    So why should the church take a stand on Uganda and its homosexual policy? Aren’t there some church and state issues here?

  4. Ephilei
    December 11, 2009

    Didn’t the Catholic Church already state they support capital punishment for homosexuality: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/12/02/7040

    I always assumed they were pro-bill. But really, “if you’re not for us, you’re against us,” as Jesus said.

  5. Priya Lynn
    December 11, 2009

    Thanks for that link Ephilei, I frequently encounter people who falsely state the Catholic church stands against mistreatment of gays – this is a powerful reminder of their true position.

  6. John
    December 11, 2009

    Ben: No law is being proposed to kill drug dealers, so that’s just ridiculous. And the catholic church and oher churches should comment about this because it’s the American Religious Right that is responsible for this mess, including some american bishops.

  7. Bill
    December 13, 2009

    I am having a hard time belieing that all of this is actually happening.

    What kind of a species treats their own offsping in this manner?

    And they have the nerve to present this as an issue of moraity???


  8. BobN
    December 13, 2009

    When the RCC issues statements against “unjust discrimination”, it means they find “just” discrimination to be completely acceptable. “Just” discrimination includes criminalization, just not capital punishment (anymore).

    See, the Pope draws the line at lynching. Give them man a medal…

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