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Buturo targets Gay Uganda blogger

Timothy Kincaid

December 23rd, 2009

An article in the independent Daily Monitor discusses the possibility that Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni may veto the “Kill Gays” bill. In the final paragraph, they wrote something which concerns us:

Mr Bahati has claimed that the Bill is supported by the majority of Ugandans, while Ethics Minister Nsaba Buturo yesterday named three civil society organisations allegedly promoting homosexuality activities in Uganda. He said Sexual Minorities Uganda, Integrity Uganda and Gay Uganda had been given $20m to promote the practice.

The assertion is, of course, ludicrous. With $20 million, gay supportive organizations could have tremendous impact in a country in which per capita income is $420.

But even more distressing is that Buturo has singled out the sole blogger at Gay Uganda, identified him as being a tool of Westerners being paid a tremendous amount of money, and accused him of “promoting homosexual activities”. This is, I believe, not an inconsequential accusation in a country which is being whipped into a fury of anti-gay hatred.

Click here to see BTB’s complete coverage of recent anti-gay developments in Uganda.

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snowisfun
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Tiomthy Kincaid, I’m a homophobe & a bigot but I’m also not religious. I see something wrong with homosexuality & sex changes. With homosexuality, if science eventually finds a cure for this (whatever the causes), I won’t lose sleep over it. If the only sexual behavior left in the world is between a man & woman, that’s fine with me. In fact, I have no problem if oral sex were to disappear, though I know many straights engage in it.

With GID, what science must learn how to do is cure or @least better treat this. Oppose sex changes for the same reasons that I oppose Drs. whitening Blacks who think they’re White instead of Black. Predictably, if surgeons knew how to change skin color, we would hear the medical & psychological communities making the same justifications to change skin color of those who have racial identity as they do for GID.

Here’s something contradictory on the part of David Roberts & Martina Navratilova. David Roberts & tennis legend Martina Navratilova say that they are against animal cruelty. Martina Navratilova in 2005 protested experiments on homosexual sheep as animal cruelty because of an indirect possiblity that such experiments may lead to the cure for homosexuality. Yet Martina Navratilova & David Roberts have been silent on the topic of sex changes-which were initially experimented on animals & it’s a fact that the hormone shots continue to be experimented on animals. Martina Navratilova has only protested the homosexual sheep experiments as animal cruelty because that’s science she differs with but has been silent on animal cruelty when it comes to sex changes because it’s science she agrees with.

Finally on an incidental note, I’m pro-choice on abortion. This may offend some people but if it could be predicted that an unborn baby would be handicapped or in the future if they can predict that an unborn baby would be a homosexual or would have GID, I have no problem if the mom wants to abort it & call it a justified abortion. You can call me pro-abortion. I know that my post here is offensive, but this is what I think & again it’s for reasons unrelated to religion as I’m not a Christian, though I’m not an atheist.

Burr
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Uh nice off-topic and disturbing comment there.

How much lying for Jesus can these a-holes in Uganda do? I can’t fathom how much lower they’ll go.

If an anonymous blogger got $20 million, surely they’d have a much better website than a freebie blogspot account with hardly any graphics to speak of.

Priya Lynn
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

“Snowisfun” said “it’s for reasons unrelated to religion as I’m not a Christian, though I’m not an atheist.”.

Sounds like what you are is a bulls***ter – if you’re not an atheist the odds that your position isn’t due to religion are somewhere between slim and none.

snowisfun
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Priya Lynn, you know nothing about me. Yes, many people use religious faith to justify their positions against homosexuality. While there’s nothing wrong with using religion, I don’t base my views against homosexuality on religion. In fact, my religious upbringing is neutral on the topic of homosexuality, so my position against homosexuality is unrelated to religion.

If you want to call me a homophobic bigot-feel free to do so-I’ll be proud to be called that. But please don’t raise fictitious topics such as saying that my position is based on religion, when it’s not. Why does it surprise you that non-religious people can also see something wrong with homosexuality & GID? I’m sure that there are atheists who agree with me, but that’s another topic.

Finally, please don’t go into the ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’ labels. If you want to know my other views, I support affirmative action, oppose the death penalty in most cases & I’m an ecologist who supports nuclear powerplants as they don’t emit greenhouse gases & there are ecologists who support nuclear power. Getting back to the topic, you need to stop assuming that people who differ with you must be a religious nut, because again, you can be an atheist & be against homosexuality & GID.

Priya Lynn
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

“snowisfun” I couldn’t care less about your other views, or any views of yours – you’re a nobody to me. There are a few people who claim to be atheists who are homohobes, but they are damn few and far between.

Given that you’re proud to be a homophobe and a bigot it’d be no surprise if you didn’t have any qualms about being a liar as well. I simply don’t believe you when you say your bigotry isn’t due to religion and no amount of assurances to the contrary by you is going to convince me otherwise.

snowisfun
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Priya Lynn, if you’re delusional & not trust those who say that their views against homosexuality & GID are unrelated to religion, then so be it.

Timothy Kincaid, is there a requirement which says that in order to oppose homosexuality & GID, 1 must subscribe to a religious faith? Again, that’s synonymous to saying that in order to be an ecologist you must oppose nuclear powerplants when as noted, I’m an ecologist who supports nuclear powerplants & you can find plenty of ecologists since 1996 who support nuclear or atomic energy. Incidentally my dad was an engineer in the Palo Verde Nuclear Powerplant in Arizona from 1989-2001.

Timothy Kincaid, are your posters really that delusional in thinking that those who differ with them on homosexuality & GID must base it on religious faith or are they dishonest in that they hate the fact that there are non-religious people & in some cases even atheists who see something wrong with homosexuality & GID? Please share your thoughts.

Priya Lynn
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

“snowisfun”, the only delusional person here is you. If religion had nothing to do with your bigotry you wouldn’t be so obssessed with claiming it doesn’t.

Zeke Krahlin
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

To snowisfun:

Homosexuality is not the disease: homophobia is. Claiming to be non-religious yet homophobic, only serves to affirm my theory that the main appeal to anti-gay bigotry is towards bullies. And that bullies need not come out of religious dogma…they’re just foul at heart.

Though the vast measure of homophobia is indeed religion-created, of course you also have homophobic pagans and atheists…though a much smaller percentage when compared to relgious zealots.

You may claim your anti-gay idiocy comes not from religious dogma…however, that is where it originates, no matter your claim. No surprise here, for like *all* homophobes, you are also stupid.

wackadoodle
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Stop feeding the troll. He obviously doesn’t believe any of this BS and is just trying to get attention. How long have you guys been on the internet that you see someone post something completely off topic, dumb as hell and written in the most annoying and condescending tone possible and think “he must be totally serious about this”? I learned in the first week to ignore that kind of post.

John
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Ugandan ethics minister, huh. I guess he is the one who extorts money from people who are not part of the Museveni regime with threats to prosecute them for corruption. This anti-gay bill would give him another stick to use against regime opponents and others with money who aren’t under Museveni’s protection. I can see why he would be such a proponent of this legislation.

Wouldn’t it be interesting to know how much money the “Ethics Minister” has hidden in Swiss accounts. Could it possibly be somewhere around $20 million?

snowisfun
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Priya Lynn, Hinduism (my religious upbringing-parents came from India) is neutral on homosexuality, which proves that 1 can reach conclusions as I do for reasons unrelated to religion. If you talk to Hindus who are against homosexuality, they won’t use religious faith because not every faith shares the same thinking that Judaism, Christianity & Islam have.

Zeke Krahlin, you haven’t written anything that I haven’t already considered. No, homosexuality is not a disease as it was lifted by the APA in 1973. But even so, I still believe that if science finds the cure for homosexuality, then I support such a cure.

Science & medicine often gets involved in things you may not agree with. A common synonym I hear is why not then cure lefthandedness. Lefthandedness is also not a disease which I don’t think needs to be cured, but most people incl. myself wouldn’t care if lefthandedness were cured though I would say ‘well what’s the need for a cure ?’, yet it doesn’t raise as much controversy. Cloning is another eg. Sure I think cloning is useless waste of science, but again not so controversial.

However, what I don’t understand is why people get offended by the idea if they eventually discover the cure for homosexuality? Your thoughts are again welcome, but you haven’t said anything that I haven’t already considered.

Priya Lynn
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Snowisfun said “Hinduism (my religious upbringing-parents came from India) is neutral on homosexuality, which proves that 1 can reach conclusions as I do for reasons unrelated to religion.”.

Not true – from wikipedia:

“Most modern Hindus reject homosexuality on the basis that Hindu dharma generally requires men and women to marry and produce progeny.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Hinduism

I knew you were a liar.

It was only recently in India that gayness was decriminalized. Like most other religions Hindus are predominantly anti-gay.

“snowisfun” said “most people incl. myself wouldn’t care if lefthandedness were cured though I would say ‘well what’s the need for a cure ?”.

What’s the need for a cure for gayness?

Priya Lynn
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Further from the link I posted:

“Deepa Mehta’s 1996 film Fire, which depicts a romantic relationship between two Hindu women, was informally banned for “religious insensitivity”[5] after Hindu Nationalists attacked cinemas where it was being screened on the grounds that it denigrated Indian culture…Men who are too effeminate or transgendered to marry women are often rejected by their families and forced to join third-gender groups such as the hijra.”

snowisfun
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

When I’ve talked to Hindus who support homosexual rights, they’ve told me that Hinduism has no prohibition against homosexuality & they ask me that since I’m not Jewish nor Christian, what’s my reasons for being against homosexuality? KamaSutra came from India & homosexuality is shown there. That has been my understanding of Hinduism.

Perhaps I’m wrong if indeed Hinduism does prohibit homosexuality as the Wikipedia article states & will have to look into this. I’m not an expert,(not every1 fully understands their religious faith) but if Hinduism really does forbid homosexuality as the article says, then I’ll have to raise that with Hindus who’ve told me that Hinduism doesn’t forbid it. All this time, I’ve justified my position against homosexuality for reasons unrelated to Hinduism, as I’ve believed that it doesn’t forbid it.

Hinduism does justify vegetarianism. I’ve been a vegetarian for years (would never be a vegan) but I’ve been a vegetarian for reasons unrelated to Hinduism, though I know Hindus who do use Hinduism to justify their position.

As far as why I would support a cure for homosexuality, well I’ve thought about it & I see something wrong with men having sex with men & women having sex with women whatever the causes. If the only sexual behavior left in the world is between a man & a woman, then I really don’t see why I should lose sleep over it.

Priya Lynn
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

“snowisfun” said “When I’ve talked to Hindus who support homosexual rights, they’ve told me that Hinduism has no prohibition against homosexuality”.

Similarly many Christians say christianity doesn’t prohibit loving gay relationships. That doesn’t change the fact that many, if not most Christians and hindus say their religion is against it.

“snowisfun” said “As far as why I would support a cure for homosexuality, well I’ve thought about it & I see something wrong with men having sex with men & women having sex with women whatever the causes.”.

You keep saying that but you never state any rational reason why there is something wrong with same sex sex. That’s where you’re not credible when you claim it isn’t motivated by religon – you claim to have other reasons but you find them so feeble (or none-existant) that you’re not willing to say what they are.

“snowisfun” said “If the only sexual behavior left in the world is between a man & a woman, then I really don’t see why I should lose sleep over it.”.

Would it bother you if some people felt it was a great loss to them if the things you “wouldn’t lose sleep over” disappeared? Do you have any concern over anyone’s happiness beyond your own?
Are you such a sociopath that no one’s happiness other than your own matters to you?

snowisfun
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

Okay, Priya Lynn, I admit that my hostility towards homosexuals over the years has been based on bad experiences with them in the workplace, which is why in 2005, I changed my views on homosexuality & have decided since then that it’s best to find a cure for it, though they say it’s not a disease.

But why does it offend you if a cure for homosexuality were found? Why does it offend you if sex changes were to disappear & a cure for GID were found? You keep saying happiness this but how can some1 be unhappy if something no longer existed ? Again, many people wouldn’t care 1 way or the other if lefthandedness were cured, but why the offense over whether a cure for homosexuality & GID are found? I don’t understand the controversy.

Jim Burroway
December 23rd, 2009 | LINK

We’ve had our fun, but “snowisfun” posted an obvious off-topic comment and now all the remaining topics are also off-topic. He did this for one reason only, and that’s to stir up trouble.

“snowisfun” is henceforth banned from commenting on BTB.

Any further comments which are off-topic will be deleted.

Rob
December 26th, 2009 | LINK

99.9% of all the anti-gay atheists or non-religious that I know or heard of are also either racialists, Stalinists/Maoists or both.

RTM
December 27th, 2009 | LINK

Sorry to be off topic again, but Hinduism is not a homophobic religion per se. Most Hindus who reject homosexuality do so not because of anything written in any of Hindu’s religious texts – rather they use other arguments.

Anyways, that is not to claim that Hinduism is a better religion or anything! Hindu fundamentalists are just as dangerous as Muslim or Christian fundamentalists. However, I just wanted to get the facts through.

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