Exodus VP: “Disney Makes Right Decision Concerning ‘Ex-Gay’ Policy”

Jim Burroway

March 15th, 2010

Last week, we briefly noted a quixotic attempt by the ex-gay organization PFOX to force a vote among Disney shareholders to recognize “ex-gay” as a sexual orientation. Shareholders instantly recognized it as a complete waste of time, with 98% voting a resounding “no!” Exodus International vice president Randy Thomas thinks Disney made the right call, and finds PFOX’s messaging “confusing”:

It appears they are doing a “find and replace” word processing function on their organizational messaging. They are copying gay activist talking points and replacing every instance of “gay” with “ex-gay.” Greg Quinlan, PFOX’s Director, states that ex-gays are forced into the Disney “closet.” Over the past few years PFOX keeps talking about the “ex-gay community” needing to be added to the laundry list of sexual/gender identities in need of protected class status in various venues.

PFOX had been a member ministry under the Exodus umbrella, but they reportedly parted ways last summer.


March 15th, 2010

Randy Thomas called another organization’s message confusing? That’s too funny!

Timothy Kincaid

March 15th, 2010

PFOX and Exodus have two problems:

1. Exodus (for all their flaws) genuinely does see itself as a ministry for same-sex attracted strugglers. While they engage in a lot of self-delusion, they – for the most part – are more into “living a life of freedom from sin” than bashing gays (though they don’t hold back much from that either)

PFOX, on the other hand, is entirely and solely interested in anti-gay activism. If something would hurt ex-gays, it matters not in the least as long as it is anti-gay.

2. PFOX has adopted a position that is destructive to Exodus’ basic premise.

Exodus says, “there’s no such thing as orientation, just temptation. The opposite of homosexuality is not a different orientation (heterosexuality), but a different lifestyle (holiness – submission to God).

PFOX comes along and says, “not only is there orientation, but ex-gay is one. Further, we demand that businesses and others honor our orientation (and, by extension, that of others)”.

Most folks pretty clearly see through the ex-gay = orientation nonsense. But PFOX’s adoption of the orientation dialogue confirms (for many) that orientation exists and that homosexuality is not just a fetish or hobby or habit, but a direction of attraction.

I can see how Randy would be irked.


March 15th, 2010

So, ex-gay doesn’t equal straight? It’s a stand-alone?

What do they think about when they masturbate?

(With the door closed in case Jesus comes back just then.)


March 15th, 2010

Is being ex-gay caused by genetics, or nuture, or is it a choice? Can two ex-gays of the same sex get married? Is there any mention of ex-gays in the Bible? Or any other holy book? Is being ex-gay against the law…anywhere in the world? Has it ever been, through history?

Just wondering here…


March 17th, 2010

The “ex-gay is an orientation” thing is so internally contradictory and self-evidently pointless that it is hard to imagine it as anything OTHER than a trojan horse for something else. Good for Disney.

It is hard to imagine a company discriminating against straight people for being straight. If they include LGBT people, either specifically, or as part of a broad “no discrimination based on sexual orientation” clause, then there is no issue there either. Ex-gays would fall under one or the other for purposes of workplace discrimination.

So the only reason to insist on recognition of “ex-gay” as an explicit status would be to get either protection for voicing anti-gay views “All I was saying is that they are filthy in God’s eyes and can be cured if they try hard enough! Telling me to be quiet discriminates against me as ex-gay!”) or to try to force either contributions to ex-gay causes or an end to contributions and participation in pro-equality causes.

Jason D

March 17th, 2010

seems to me that ex-gay is less an orientation than an ideology. If it were an orientation they’d simply be straight.

This was an attempt to get validation for the political ideology of ex-gays, not for discrimination against celibate gays or heterosexuals with a “complicated” orientation.

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