Exodus Co-Founder: Inequality Under The Law Is OK As Long As It Persuades People To Go Ex-Gay

A multi-part video interview series with Michael Bussee, co-founder of Exodus International turned critic.

Daniel Gonzales

May 11th, 2010

Modern day Exodus and president Alan Chambers provide a near non-stop supply of illogical and bizarre statements that keep watchdog sites like Truth Wins Out, Ex-Gay Watch, and BoxTurtleBulletin busy documenting and analyzing them.  My personal favorite is Alan’s claim that he might never have come to Jesus and become straight if gay marriage had been available to him when he was young and gay.

I thought I’d ask Michael Bussee what he thought of Alan’s statement.

Hat tip to Ex-Gay Watch for capturing video of Alan’s appearance at the Prop 8 rally.

(transcript below the jump)

I’m Michael Bussee, I’m one of the original co-founders of Exodus International. I left the program in 1979 and have since reconciled my spirituality and my sexuality and now I’m a vocal critic of reparative therapy programs and of Exodus International.

[music begins]

[title: “Inequality Under The Law Is OK As Long As It Persuades People To Go Ex-Gay”]

[voice of interviewer:] Alan Chambers has often says that if gay marriage had been legal when he was experimenting with being gay that he may never have been saved and found his path to Exodus as a sort of justification for keeping gay marriage illegal, what do you think of that?

[switches to segment of live simulcast political rally held by CA Prop 8 campaign on September 25, 2008]

[rally host:] 40 days, we have 40 days and that’s it.  Why is same sex marriage a bad thing?

[Alan Chambers speaking at rally via video conference:] Well for me same sex marriage would have only hindered my ability to come to the Lord, it would have only put one more obstacle along the way that wasn’t there at the time and I’m so grateful back in 1990 and 1991 that wasn’t something that stood in my way in coming to Christ in the way he had me come to him.  If that had been an option for me I certainly would have chosen it would have been a more difficult road for me and I think that’s the truth for young people like me who don’t need this obstacle in their way.

[switches back to Michael Bussee’s sitting room]

[voice of interviewer:] What do you think of that?

I think it’s sad that he never had the experience of being gay and married to a partner of his choice.  How wonderful it is to think that he may not have gotten involved in Exodus and may have had a different life path if it had been legal.

[voice of interviewer:] But as a justification for denying civil rights?

[Michael interrupting:] Oh as a justification for denying civil rights?… Absurd… Outrageous.

He’s talking out both sides of his mouth.  On one hand he says that he doesn’t think that homosexuality should be illegal or criminalized in any way but it’s ok if we don’t have equal rights.  So inequality under the law is ok with him as long as it persuades people to go exgay?

I never heard that quote before, I’m interested that he would say that.

[closing credits]

anteros

May 11th, 2010

in the bible, jesus turned water into wine, walked on water, made a blind dude see, brought a dead dude back to life, rose from the dead three days after being crucified… he was god.

chambers believes that gay marriage would prevent that same miracle worker from saving souls or turning gay people straight? (that’s assuming he would want to turn gay people straight). would jesus really require the denial of civil rights in order for him to do his thing?
with such limitations, chambers’ sounds like a man-made god. forgive me for wondering if there ever existed another type of god out there somewhere… one that’s not man-made or heavily reliant on human imagination.

Timothy Kincaid

May 11th, 2010

anteros,

I agree. The god of the theocrats always seems so week and ineffective. He needs humans to do everything for him.

Burr

May 11th, 2010

Yep. It belies the complete and utter lack of faith they truly have in their God.

If you’re so right, what’s there to worry about? We’ll get what’s coming to us, and you’re only compelled to tell us what’s coming, not force us to comply.

MN

May 11th, 2010

Daniel, I hope you will reconsider your practice of dubbing music over Michael Bussee’s talking. It’s distracting, and also seems disrespectful of Mr. Bussee. If I were the interviewee here, I’d be pretty upset about that — like, so, what I have to say isn’t interesting (or important) enough, that we have to draw in people with short attention spans by overlaying music? The overlaid music makes it feels more like propaganda, or a Scientology video. It’s cheesy. Serious subject matter should be treated seriously. This is dead-serious business, worthy of “60 Minutes,” for example. And 60 Minutes would never dream of overlaying interviews with music!!

We have plenty of other opportunities in life to hear and listen to music.

Dan Gonzales

May 11th, 2010

Nope sorry,
1) Michael has indicated he likes the music
2) This American Life deals with similar heavy subject matter with background music
and 3) My shitty $200 point and shoot digi cam leaves audio artifacts that I wish to cover up with music.

Leave A Comment

All comments reflect the opinions of commenters only. They are not necessarily those of anyone associated with Box Turtle Bulletin. Comments are subject to our Comments Policy.

(Required)
(Required, never shared)

PLEASE NOTE: All comments are subject to our Comments Policy.

 

Latest Posts

Canada's Conservatives End Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage

Ghana: Muslim Cleric Says Gay Sex Causes Earthquakes

Today's Agenda Is Brought To You By...

Today In History, 1919: First Pro-Gay Film Released

Today's Agenda Is Brought To You By...

Emphasis Mine

Today In History, 1948: "Homosexual Ring Broken Up" At Mizzou

Today In History, 1960: Daughters of Bilitis Hold First National Convention

Featured Reports

What Are Little Boys Made Of?

In this original BTB Investigation, we unveil the tragic story of Kirk Murphy, a four-year-old boy who was treated for “cross-gender disturbance” in 1970 by a young grad student by the name of George Rekers. This story is a stark reminder that there are severe and damaging consequences when therapists try to ensure that boys will be boys.

Slouching Towards Kampala: Uganda’s Deadly Embrace of Hate

When we first reported on three American anti-gay activists traveling to Kampala for a three-day conference, we had no idea that it would be the first report of a long string of events leading to a proposal to institute the death penalty for LGBT people. But that is exactly what happened. In this report, we review our collection of more than 500 posts to tell the story of one nation’s embrace of hatred toward gay people. This report will be updated continuously as events continue to unfold. Check here for the latest updates.

Paul Cameron’s World

In 2005, the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote that “[Paul] Cameron’s ‘science’ echoes Nazi Germany.” What the SPLC didn”t know was Cameron doesn’t just “echo” Nazi Germany. He quoted extensively from one of the Final Solution’s architects. This puts his fascination with quarantines, mandatory tattoos, and extermination being a “plausible idea” in a whole new and deeply disturbing light.

From the Inside: Focus on the Family’s “Love Won Out”

On February 10, I attended an all-day “Love Won Out” ex-gay conference in Phoenix, put on by Focus on the Family and Exodus International. In this series of reports, I talk about what I learned there: the people who go to these conferences, the things that they hear, and what this all means for them, their families and for the rest of us.

Prologue: Why I Went To “Love Won Out”
Part 1: What’s Love Got To Do With It?
Part 2: Parents Struggle With “No Exceptions”
Part 3: A Whole New Dialect
Part 4: It Depends On How The Meaning of the Word "Change" Changes
Part 5: A Candid Explanation For "Change"

The Heterosexual Agenda: Exposing The Myths

At last, the truth can now be told.

Using the same research methods employed by most anti-gay political pressure groups, we examine the statistics and the case studies that dispel many of the myths about heterosexuality. Download your copy today!

And don‘t miss our companion report, How To Write An Anti-Gay Tract In Fifteen Easy Steps.

Testing The Premise: Are Gays A Threat To Our Children?

Anti-gay activists often charge that gay men and women pose a threat to children. In this report, we explore the supposed connection between homosexuality and child sexual abuse, the conclusions reached by the most knowledgeable professionals in the field, and how anti-gay activists continue to ignore their findings. This has tremendous consequences, not just for gay men and women, but more importantly for the safety of all our children.

Straight From The Source: What the “Dutch Study” Really Says About Gay Couples

Anti-gay activists often cite the “Dutch Study” to claim that gay unions last only about 1½ years and that the these men have an average of eight additional partners per year outside of their steady relationship. In this report, we will take you step by step into the study to see whether the claims are true.

The FRC’s Briefs Are Showing

Tony Perkins’ Family Research Council submitted an Amicus Brief to the Maryland Court of Appeals as that court prepared to consider the issue of gay marriage. We examine just one small section of that brief to reveal the junk science and fraudulent claims of the Family “Research” Council.

Daniel Fetty Doesn’t Count

Daniel FettyThe FBI’s annual Hate Crime Statistics aren’t as complete as they ought to be, and their report for 2004 was no exception. In fact, their most recent report has quite a few glaring holes. Holes big enough for Daniel Fetty to fall through.