To Exodus’ VP, compassion is not for real gay people

Timothy Kincaid

May 12th, 2010

Mike Goeke is the Vice Chairman of the Board of Exodus International. He is also a counseling pastor at Stonegate Fellowship, a Southern Baptist church in Midland, TX.

He and some of his fellow parishioners prepared a video patting themselves on the back for their out-reach to same-sex attracted people. But as you listen to this amateurish (and creepy) advertisement, a theme emerges.

Seven times they mention “people with same-sex attractions”, five times they talk about those who “struggle” and another three times about those “impacted” by homosexuality (which is, itself, mentioned six times). There was even one self-congratulatory outburst of compassion for “people with same-sex attraction who are struggling with homosexuality.”

And there was talk about “wounded people” and “the problem” and even unwanted attractions. There was comparison to alcoholism and heterosexual adultery. Indeed, they had a ministry to those who are “hurting”. And they offer “hope” and even once wonder at those who “overcome same-sex attractions in their own marriage”.

But you? Real gay people? Those who don’t “struggle” or “hurt” or who are not “impacted”? You who aren’t trying to keep together a heterosexual marriage, or who aren’t feeling rejected by your condemnatory brow-beating church?

You don’t exist.

Oh, there was one use of the word “gay” by a fellow who was judgmental of his gay friends as a youth. But don’t worry, he soon learned to them of them like a woman caught in adultery.

This is not accidental. Exodus – and much of the rest of conservative evangelical Christianity – are quite aware that they don’t use words like “gay” or “sexual orientation”. And they never ever acknowledge that there are happy, healthy, joyful, vibrant, gay men and women who have full rich lives, loving spouses, doting families, and especially peace or spiritual fulfillment.

If they did that, how could they pat themselves on the back for fighting against your civil equality and freedom?

Lindoro Almaviva

May 12th, 2010

If they did that, how could they pat themselves on the back for fighting against your civil equality and freedom?

Or for being understanding and “compassionate” or for following Jesus admonition to love ALL…


May 12th, 2010

See how compassionate and accepting they are of gays who don’t spend their time groveling on the floor, “struggling” against same-sex attraction. They’ll kick you out of their church so fast it will make your head spin.

They will lurve you as long as you “know your place–” which is with the drug addicts and alcoholics and spousal abusers and adulterers and assorted other dregs of society.

But not the divorcees, nope– you can’t be with them because they’re all up in the pulpit or being deacons or Sunday School teachers.


May 12th, 2010

This is an interesting development. It seems they’ve gone from saying that homosexuality can be “cured,” or that gay people can turn straight, to not admitting that there are gay people in the first place.


May 12th, 2010

I have news for Mike Goeke; Nothing changed. You are still gay. You set my gaydar off the second you began speaking in this video. You have a wife, eh? Shame on you for dragging her into your self-hatred. It will be her life that falls apart when your marriage fails, and it will. Unless of course she is an “ex-gay” too, as is often the case. Then she’ll be relieved once you’re divorced and she doesn’t have to fake heterosexual desires anymore. What a joke. When will people wake up and see just how many lives are destroyed by religion?

Maurice Lacunza

May 12th, 2010

I wish that the senior pastor could discuss the church members who are gay and happily involved in his ministry. He seems to assume that we are all hurting and struggling with the impacted life.

Does anyone know if the church is addressing the impact of discrimination against gays, or, is it the assumption of a destructive same sex attraction?

Maybe the church is willing to accept gay people as gay people. I didn’t get that from this video though. I suspect that they want to pray away the gay. Does anyone know more about this church?


May 13th, 2010

This video shows great progress. These people used to hate and despise gays, now they just pity them and couch their dislike for homosexuality in more “acceptable” terms.

I guess, in a way, I’d rather have brittle outright open bigoted opponents, than these squishy reserved sorta-friendly opponents. The former is a dying breed and help new generations see the foundation of anti-gay thought for what it really is. The latter help maintain and continue some of that same foundation wrapped up in some niceties.


May 13th, 2010

“we all have some junk in our lives.”

the junk is right in your brains, darling.
what a pityful flock of loonatics.


May 13th, 2010

It’s *very* self-congratulatory. I found the theme of personal benefit very telling. “Working with them has helped me more than I helped them,” says one man. Why am I not surprised?


May 13th, 2010

So long as these people keep their nonsense inside their ridiculous church, and nowhere else, that is fine.

I’ve said it before – but it needs repeating so much: it’s time to reach out these poor deluded people with the good news of Charles Darwin and Thomas Paine, among others – and the message that they can walk away from superstition, any time they like.

Mark F.

May 16th, 2010

Can we stop these comments that somehow you can “know” if someone is gay because of the way they speak or act?

Priya Lynn

May 17th, 2010

Mark, your dislike of reality won’t change it.

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