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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyJuly 26th, 2010
The National Organization for Marriage had this supporter out in Indianapolis today:
That’s Larry Adams. When the Trial Trackers interviewed Mr. Adams, a NOM staffer advised him not to say “anything inflammatory” but seemed to have no objection to Mr. Adams’ signage.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hqOIHugX4dk%26hl%3Den_US%26fs%3D1%22%3E%3CIn order to punish people for doing the wrong thing, you’re stopping sin like this here. If homosexuality was against the law, if it was punished like it’s supposed to be, there wouldn’t be so much homosexuality out here.
Bil Browning has additional photos at the Bilerico Project
And one more time with the solution:
UPDATE: To date (7/27) I’ve not seen any renunciation of the sign or its message by NOM or anyone affiliated with NOM. However, here’s the discussion that occurred when an equality supporter posted the sign on NOM’s Facebook page:
Eva Kurilova: Nice.
Although I fully understand that not all of you, not even a majority of you, want to hang/kill gays.
Unlike your failure to understand that most gay people have been peacefully protesting. That two people storming a podium does not equal an entire movement or an entire segment of the population, and so you constantly gripe about troublesome gay activists that the rest of us should answer for. Well, answer for this then. [picture of noose sign posted]Dustin Brian Lee Tenney: The fact that nobody stopped them, and nobody on their side apologized for it doesn’t help your case Eva.
Nick Jones: Does peaceful protest also include women making out in front of the podium trying to make a mockery of the rally. If they were really peaceful protesters they would leave their megaphones at home as well as their lifestyle.
Theresa Preece: That depends on the meaning behind the picture and the verse. Not that I agree with the choice of “art” but it could be argued that when people willingly chose to live in sin- as in the case the sin of homosexuality- that they are chosing death over life. As in death to eternal life- and that the choice (the choice of death, which is represented in the two nooses) is on them. Again, I don’t agree with the choice of artwork, but as is the case – it is open to interpertation and that is one interpertation that differs from yours, Eva.
Shannon Williams: One can’t hold the conservative movement reponsible for what that scripture says. God, himself, wrote that verse, as well as all verses in his holy Word. If that verse bites, your beef is with the Creator of the Universe, not with any human.
I don’t see any disagreement with the sign’s message that gay couples should be executed.
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Matt
July 26th, 2010
Nom now = national organazatipn for murder
John in the Bay Area
July 26th, 2010
If NOM keeps this up, NOM may get listed as an true hate group, rather than just a motley group of hateful bigots.
Erin
July 26th, 2010
Well, I certainly can’t defend NOM for any reason, and it is quite obvious the guy with the signs is a whackjob, but I think I should point out that he wasn’t actually with them. He came to protest in support of their message with his own take on the message. That being said, the guy who told him not to say anything inflammatory, should have had a talk with him on his own about how signs like that aren’t helping them prove they’re not hateful and bigoted. He should have either distanced himself and NOM from that guy completely, or told him the sign was way beyond their message, and he didn’t appreciate the guy putting a radical, violent spin on what they were saying.
Candace
July 26th, 2010
Well, all NOM has to do is publically denounce mister whackjob’s message of death to teh gay, but they don’t seem to have gotten around to it yet. I think the turh is closer to the fact that Mr. W. simply said publically what the rest of them say in private…. and they know it.
Richard Rush
July 26th, 2010
Someone skilled with Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop, or CorelDraw could create a new improved NOM logo out of one or both of those noose images.
ursomniac
July 26th, 2010
@Erin They did nothing.
They COULD have publicly said that they were only against same-sex marriage and that advocating murder was wrong. But, they did nothing.
They could have said ANYTHING to distance themselves from their supporter. But, they did nothing.
They’ve already tried to lie about their events, immediately blamed “the gays” for tire trouble, deliberately tried to mislead the media about protesters, and went as far as to say that the adopted child of a gay couple wasn’t their “real” baby. They’ve been dishonest in every way possible throughout their entire tour.
I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that if one of their supporters attacked or even killed one of the protesters that they would continue to do NOTHING. Any statement they would make would likely be along the lines that had the protester invited the action by not staying home and invisible.
NOM has no values, no morals, and no understanding of what it means to be an American.
hyhybt
July 26th, 2010
Looking at the image on his sign again, perhaps a better translator could have helped him. Amazing the different meaning you can get from a different form of the same word: gays should be hung, not hanged.
(sorry, but *somebody* had to do something with that)
Wyzdyx
July 26th, 2010
This man reminds me of my mother’s fourth husband. He is afraid to act on his attraction to men so he hides behind “the bible tells me so.” They can be the worst kind of bigoted haters.
Hector
July 26th, 2010
Many christians have a hard time talking to gays because they are trying to look loving and really worried for the “sinner”. When in reality they really difamate gays in the confort of their churches and in their after-sunday-school jokes they make about c…suckers.
Erin
July 26th, 2010
I’m not defending NOM. They should have done something, but we all know they’re not really bringing their message with love as they claim. I agree with all of you there. I was just trying to point out that people shouldn’t confuse this to the point where they think the guy holding the sign was a part of NOM. I only say that because then they could say we have used deception to put them in a bad light. But actually, come to think of it, I don’t care. You are right that they let this hate speech happen all around them and they never denounce it, so if they want to say we were distorting their message, let them say it. We still have more credibility, and the pro-marriage equality folks really are fighting for something good.
Erin
July 26th, 2010
He said we are confused, then I couldn’t hear it clearly, but i think he said something like he cares for us and doesn’t want us to go to Hell. Maybe I heard that wrong but I definitely heard the part about us being confused. Wow. So that justifies hanging us? What a whackjob!
johnathan
July 26th, 2010
Is it just me, or did he put his phone number at the bottom of that sign? I wonder how many people have — and rightfully so — bombarded him with phone calls asking him to retract his message of hate.
John
July 27th, 2010
Hanging? Oh puhleeze! If we really want to be traditional, stoning would be more authentic.
Mortanius
July 27th, 2010
Sadly this “gentleman” with the noose sign is always walking and standing at our Pride events. The good news is that there are typically only 2-3 of these hateful unholy bigots each year and are getting more and more ignored.
DN
July 27th, 2010
I truly pity this self-loathing human being.
At the very end, when the interviewer asks about whether interracial marriage should be legal, the man claims that interracial marriage is fine, as long as both partners are of the same religion.
I really wish she’d followed up and asked if interreligious marriage should be legal in Indiana. Ah well…
Michael Bussee
July 27th, 2010
He mentions he has had gay “temptations”. Perhaps his sign is an indication of his own inner loathing and what he feels he deserves. Very sad.
DN
July 27th, 2010
ah, Theresa Preece, wife of James Preece, who is one of NOM’s facebook moderators… she’s a piece of work.
Her interpretation of the nooses is complete garbage. If the sign said, “consequences of gay marriage,” then maybe she’d have a point about shutting oneself off to eternal life. But it doesn’t say that – it says *solution* to gay marriage. There is no other interpretation – this man wants to hang people.
So, NOM, it’s not just random jerk supporters who advocate murder – it’s the wife of one of your facebook pages. Do something about it.
AdrianT
July 27th, 2010
To the HRC, and other pro equality groups:
Next time you have to do lots of adverts on TV to support erqual rights, make sure you use this example of pure hatred. Show people where the hatred is coming from. Have you got freeze frames of the comments on NOMs FaceBook fan page?
SharonB
July 27th, 2010
Just like in Iran!
Fundamentalism = Fundamentalism.
Just so full of love.
Richard Rush
July 27th, 2010
Rob Tisinai has created a great new logo graphic for NOM.
AlexH
July 27th, 2010
Wow, so now God wrote that verse about “if a man lies with…,” according to one NOM supporter on FB?
How feeble minded must one be to think that their omnipotent God would have to write such a stupid clause?
How about not creating any gay people in the first place?
Then God could save time writing all these arbitrary rules and instead use it to have tea with Pat Robertson.
I guess that’s out of range for God’s power.
Reminds me of Aunt Clara on TV’s “Bewitched.” She could cast spells but they would never come out right and then she couldn’t remove them. LOL
darkmoonman
July 27th, 2010
Those poor poor NOM’ers. Must have been hard not having Jews and Blacks to scapegoat and vilify since the 70’s. Luckily, now they’ve Gays to attack in the name of “God”.
tina
July 27th, 2010
i don’t even like giving this guy publicity.
Matthew
July 28th, 2010
I don’t think his views represents those of the whole group. Maggie Gallagher doesn’t seem that horrible.
customartist
July 31st, 2010
The nooses remind me of the photo of the two (I believe) Senegalese men hooded and hanging from nooses convicted of homosexuality in 2008.
I have copied the photo of the sign and have it prominently displayed for all to see Christian work in action.
AwkWord-O
August 11th, 2010
Here’s a message to the man who wants to hang gay people: come and see me you f*cking homophobe. I got some guns for ya.
Ralph Jansen
July 13th, 2013
One can hold those who say they are Christians and advocate such signs that they have failed to understand what Christianity is. Yes, these verses exist. Yes, we hate *homosexuality*. But, yes, we have to care for them just like we would any other *sinner*. There are no theocracies on earth anymore. The Bible also says Christians are to be the salt of the earth, not pepper.
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