Carlsbad Elementary Gunman: “Kill Obama and kill all the little fags!”

Jim Burroway

October 11th, 2010

Brendan Liam O'RourkeA lone gunman burst onto the playground at Kelly Elementary school in Carlsbad, California last Friday. Two girls were shot, but fortunately neither were seriously injured. Brendan Liam O’Rourke, 41, was restrained by witnesses as he fumbled to reload his pistol. He was arrested and charged with six counts of attempted murder.

The San Diego CBS affiliate covered the schools’ back-to-school rally today to begin the healing process for the shaken students, including the two girls who were wounded. CBS8 also interviewed Stephanie Durkee, a campus monitor who was instrumental in restraining O’Rourke. She told CBS8 what O’Rourke said as he entered the playground:

When he first came over the fence and was shooting the kids, he was screaming, “Kill Obama and kill all the little fags! Death to them!” That’s what he was saying as he was in amongst the kids shooting.

O’Rourke’s neighbor said that he used to repeat a slogan, “‘Christians Unite to Destroy.” The phrases “Christians” and “To Destroy” were found in his apartment bedroom. Of course, we’ve known that some pretty horrific rhetoric has been floating out there, and it has been becoming much louder very recently. But watch them feign surprise and shock — shock, I tell you! —  when someone takes their hysterical rantings to their “logical” conclusions.

Bryan

October 11th, 2010

We are reaching the point where anti-gay forces are getting more and more desperate and some will resort to much more extreme methods. Sadly, I think things will get worse before they get better. Gays are more visible than ever before, and with each degree of acceptance we gain will come violent backlashes by desperate fanatics. I think this trend is something Timothy has mentioned on this blog in the past

Ryan

October 11th, 2010

So, we should definitely not allow any churches to be built within ten blocks of this school, amirite?

Rob San Diego

October 12th, 2010

I agree with Ryan. I live here in San Diego and didn’t hear anything about what he said when he started shooting. That bastard, that would make sense. With all the recent coverage about gay kids being bullied, it pushed him over.

Ryan

October 12th, 2010

I was being ironic, Rob. Of course no one would object to a church being built near the school, because people know most Christians aren’t killers like this man. If he were Muslim, it would be seen as an indictment of his whole religion.

BlackDog

October 12th, 2010

Whether it’s Fundamentalist Christianity or Fundamentalist Islam…the two have far more in common with each other than they do with liberal or mainstream strains of either religion.

I would absolutely not say “most Christians aren’t killers” for that reason. I would say most NON-FUNDAMENTALIST Christians are not violent, but Fundamentalists and right-wingers ARE becoming more aggressive. I would not be suprised to see riots or terrorist attacks by rightwing groups in the US in a couple years at the rate things are going, the recent violence in Serbia comes to mind. I don’t wanna see that here, but we might.

Of course, those who pour gasoline on the fire for money won’t take any responsibility for it, even though I’ve seen stuff on TV that could lead to charges of incitement if anything like that were to happen.

Rob San Diego

October 12th, 2010

Ryan, do churches have to be 1000 feet from abortion clinics? Do churches have to be 1000 feet from gay community centers? The problem on this planet is religion, each pitted against each other, except for Buddhism. Did anyone care that Westboro Baptist picketed Mathew Shephards funeral? NO. Oh but they started to care when they started to picket dead soldiers funerals. There will never be tolerance for us because the seeds of hatred start in the church and spread to the families from there.

I mean do we all believe that all the crimes, murders, abortion bombings, gay bashing’s, anti-gay bullying is being done be atheists? NO, here in America it’s all the Christians and Catholics, and maybe a few sprinkled Mormons here and there.

Timothy Kincaid

October 12th, 2010

Rob,

You are mistaken. When the Phelps family was protesting just gay people, many many local churches showed up to counter rally. They didn’t wait for the soldiers’ funerals.

It is true that the bikers and the politicians waited until the Phelps’ expanded their hate campaign, but – as I recall – churches (mostly liberal mainline churches) were there from almost the beginning.

As for “the crimes, murders” … “gay bashing’s, anti-gay bullying”, no those are not “the Christians and the Catholics” or the Mormons.

Generally those are people who do not attend church at all and are not much affiliated with a belief system at all, be it Christian or atheist.

TampaZeke

October 13th, 2010

Timothy, can you please provide references to back up your claim that “many, many churches showed up to counter rally”?

I’m a member of a very progressive mainline church and I don’t remember it the way you do. In fact I remember desperately begging other mainline churches to stand up and speak up and getting NO support at all.

I would love to be proven wrong in my memory. Perhaps you can find and provide evidence of these many, many churches taking a stand.

Timothy Kincaid

October 13th, 2010

Zeke,

I’m going from my recollection on this one. I remember reading repeatedly of Westboro coming into some town to protest and local churches counter protesting. Some few were pro-gay churches and others were offended by the “God Hates” message.

This sort of peaked at the time when Phelps was protesting mostly gay supportive churches or highschools with a gay prom or a gay play. Other churches would come out in support.

Unfortunately google isn’t so great when it comes to searching for something like the Phelps family. There are way too many hits; it would take a week to narrow them down.

So I guess we’ll just have to have conflicting memories of this time.

Priya Lynn

October 13th, 2010

As for “the crimes, murders” … “gay bashing’s, anti-gay bullying”, no those are not “the Christians and the Catholics” or the Mormons.

Generally those are people who do not attend church at all and are not much affiliated with a belief system at all, be it Christian or atheist.

[citation needed]

Priya Lynn

October 13th, 2010

Here’s my citation:

http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

As you can see the vast majority of prison inmates in the U.S. are Catholic or protestant

Timothy Kincaid

October 13th, 2010

Priya,

Don’t play word games. Yes, Americans are generally “Christian” or “Catholic” if their affiliation is asked. You and I both know that this wasn’t what we’re talking about.

I’ve not researched the murder rate by church attendees, but here’s a google quickie:

Results from a series of multilevel analyses indicate that church attendance (the frequency of attending religious services) has significant inverse effects on nondrug illegal activities, drug use, and drug selling among disadvantaged youths.

If you want to do research to contradict and show that most murderers and gay bashers are regular church attendees, knock yourself out. I’ll not be getting into another atheist war with you.

Priya Lynn

October 13th, 2010

Timothy, the line following the section you quoted was:

“Religious salience (the perceived importance of religion in one’s life), however, is not significantly linked to reductions in juvenile delinquency.”.

If you were not referring to criminals then I’m completely mystified as to why you referenced crimes and murders. My citation was not to address your suggestion that criminals aren’t regular churchgoers but to address your claim that criminals aren’t particularly affiliated with a belief system at all (christian or atheist). Sorry I didn’t clarify that.

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