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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyApril 4th, 2011
“Marriage is between one man and one woman only. That’s the way God arranged it, set it up. Two people of the same sex cannot procreate. And no, getting yourself artificially inseminated is not procreation in God’s eyes…”
…Marriage is between one man and one woman only. God set it up that way, and that’s the way its going to be. And anybody who’s living in a homosexual or lesbian relationship shall burn in the depths of hell for all eternity.
Well, you have to hand it to Gergory Guisti, he and Robert George’s philosophical arguments are very well aligned indeed, even if Guisti’s manner is a bit more direct. Guisti even brought out Romans 1:26-29 — twice. Angry dude, although, to be fair, he did promise to throw Prop 8 plaintiffs Kristin Perry and Sandra Stier a party if they leave the state of California.
The Advocate reports that Perry and Stier were subjected to more than a dozen angry voice mails during the trial from Guisti. The 49-year-old San Francisco resident used an unlisted cell phone with a Newport News, VA area code. He’s now in jail on a 21-month sentence for having made at least 48 calls in February and March, 2010, to then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Guisti’s threats to Pelosi were more explicit: “If you pass this freaking health care plan, don’t bother coming back to California, ’cause you ain’t gonna have a place to live.”
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David Roberts
April 4th, 2011
One can only hope Guisti doesn’t procreate.
Timothy Kincaid
April 4th, 2011
Well that is surprising. Seven a.m.? I can’t imagine working up that much anger that early in the day.
Regan DuCasse
April 4th, 2011
How come our side has all the proof in the world of being threatened with all manner of things, not least of which is things like custody of each other and the children in a crisis?
Acute threats like this are proven by way of how much street violence there has been against gays and lesbians.
And although our opposition SAYS they get threats, they can’t come up with any evidence of it, nor attribute it to GAY people necessarily.
In a court of law, there has been no evidence that gay people threaten ANYTHING.
What will be done with THIS evidence of threats against gay folks?
Erin
April 4th, 2011
Hey, why don’t we do what NOM and FRC does and send this to the media and put it on pro-gay propaganda sites, and paint them all with a broad brush like they do to us when an LGBT person or ally lashes out at a homphobe?
Julian Morrison
April 4th, 2011
Got to love how “god” is basically this dude’s sockpuppet.
Richard Rush
April 4th, 2011
When harassment, persecution, bullying, intimidation, threats, or terror occur in America, much more often than not, it comes wrapped in holy-book quotes, not the rainbow flag.
Tone
April 4th, 2011
Well I didn’t listen to the whole clip. I saw no need to subject myself to any more than the first few seconds. I made a promise to myself that in 2011 I would not listen to crazy people.
Tony P
April 4th, 2011
Sheesh, you’d think he’d have heard of a SkypeOut only account.
It transmits (012) 345-6789 as the CLID.
Lindoro Almaviva
April 4th, 2011
I propose every time NOM or anyone of their ilk starts complaining about religious bigotry we play this and make sure we post it right on their sites.
dave
April 5th, 2011
This is what religion does to people.
john dixon
April 5th, 2011
Wow, Looks like someone forgot to take his meeds that morning. And buddy you are going to have to realize that the bible was written by “Man” not god. Some of the things that were written n them days may have suited “Mans” needs and don’t forget there are allot of reasons why the churches added and deleted passages to the bible. And also the bible was has many things in it if we are to take it literally, this world would be half populated because of so many crimes against God. I love these self ordained bedroom preachers.
BlackDog
April 5th, 2011
That guy looks creepy.
Lincoln Dem
April 5th, 2011
That fellow is sure to encounter certain non-procreative attention from the other inmates. Hopefully then he will learn to keep his mouth shut.
Kentucky Mikie
April 5th, 2011
In response to Lincoln Dem… The remainder of this comment is in violation of our comments policy and has been deleted. Expressions of approval of violence are prohibited. –JB
werdna
April 6th, 2011
Prison rape isn’t funny.
enough already
April 6th, 2011
No, werdna, prison rape isn’t funny.
Neither is threatening democratically elected law makers.
Some knee-jerk, politically correct, double-plus righteous people have no sense of perspective and no sense of humor.
At all.
werdna
April 6th, 2011
enough already-
I’m not defending Guisti in any way. I think that it’s entirely appropriate that he is jailed for his threats.
However I also find the all too common tendency of some (particularly in the US) to joke about sexual violence in prison entirely distasteful. The fact that sexual violence is endemic in US prisons is a source of shame for our country. I feel no glee imagining even the most despicable homophobe being raped. And of course, it’s not older, straight guys like Guisti who are most likely to be victims, it’s trans-folks, it’s gay or bi men, it’s juveniles housed in adult populations… That’s the perspective that I think is relevant here. You are free to laugh it up if you prefer.
Priya Lynn
April 6th, 2011
I’m with you Werdna. Its extremely disappointing that so many people take delight in the thought that criminals may be raped in prison, prison is the punishment, rape isn’t supposed to be part of it. Perhaps half of prison inmates are there for non-violent victimless drug offenses, not only shouldn’t they be in prison, the most certainly shouldn’t be raped yet people like those above are all too willing to look the other way and allow not just criminals but innocent people to be raped as well.
Guisti deserves jailtime, but two wrongs don’t make a right, no prisoner deserves to be raped. People who take delight in such thoughts lean towards criminality themselves.
Priya Lynn
April 6th, 2011
Also, while Guisti threatened the plantiffs with eternal torture, that’s no different than what a lot of preachers and anti-gays do everyday and most people here would vehemently insist they not be punished for that.
Jim Burroway
April 6th, 2011
I have edited Mike Kentucky’s comment. Approval of violence is against our comments policy. My apologies for not catching this sooner.
Paul J. Stein
April 6th, 2011
Praise The Lord!
enough already
April 6th, 2011
Ah, yes, the humorless PC police have arrived on the scene.
Sigh.
I don’t approve of physical violence, either, so don’t try to shove me into that position.
In fact, the overdrawn reaction (“You are free to laugh it up if you prefer.”) is just as un-politically correct as my noting the humor of the original comment.
But that was not acknowledged nor will it be…there’ll just be another round of “evil white cis-gendered gay male” dared to get uppity and permit himself an opinion.
Speaking strictly for myself, I have no problem whatsoever with seeing those Christians who hate us receive exactly those punishments which they would like to see done to us.
Priya Lynn
April 6th, 2011
“Enough” said “I don’t approve of physical violence, either, so don’t try to shove me into that position…[I’m]noting the humor of the original comment.”
Finding that comment humorous isn’t far off from approving of that kind of violence, its certainly not disapproving of it. Saying its humorous is to trivialize the concern, to literally call the concern laughable. There’s nothing humorous about rape.
“Enough” said “Speaking strictly for myself, I have no problem whatsoever with seeing those Christians who hate us receive exactly those punishments which they would like to see done to us.”.
I on the other hand have a very big problem with that. Many such Christians would happily see me eternally tortured, a punishement that greatly exceeds any conceivable crime, a punishment I would never wish on anyone. When you say you’d have no problem with that, you have become the monster you condemn.
enough already
April 6th, 2011
Yup, just like I said.
Priya Lynn,
Nobody who has read even one of your exchanges with a cis-gendered white gay here can have the least bit of doubt as to the depths of your disdain for us.
So give it a break, huh? Your exploitation of this matter to gain brownie points is so made up, only another double-plus political correctness cop would believe your crocodile tears.
And yes, now that you mention it, I do wish upon those Christians who hate us exactly all the things which they want for us.
enough already
April 6th, 2011
Honesty!
That’s the first time you’ve every actually spoken to me from your heart instead of this artificial, politically correct tone of poorly concealed disgust. I can’t abide you either.
And yes, it was funny. Something can be recognized as funny without being encouraged.
Unless, of course, one is trés PC.
As for those Christians who hate us, why pretend? I am constrained by the limitations of this blog’s rules in expressing myself fully, but it is absolute truth that the depth and breadth of my fury, the passion of my just anger, the raging desire I feel to see them experience what they wish upon us was born the day they first tied me up and used their psychological torture methods on me to try to break my will.
They failed in that. But they brought forth an implacable enemy.
Some of us have good reason to bear those Christians who hate us no good will. If you want to make this into a dog fight, be my guest. Personally, now that we’ve both made our positions clear, I suggest you ignore me in future and I shall ignore you.
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