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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyApril 6th, 2011
Who knew we’ve been so invisible all this time? Like, you know, in San Francisco:
“They’re really the driving force behind all the different elements of what we call ‘the culture war,'” he shares. “They haven’t been visible in doing this, but they’ve been the driving force — because their essential goal as a movement is the overthrow of the biblical model of family.”
Lively explains that the city of San Francisco has a high concentration of homosexual power, and the city has taken direct action against the Catholic Church and against businesses that do not support homosexuality. He expects the same radical agendas to be prevalent throughout the state in the near future.
Goodness! Far be it for us to decide not to patronize businesses and religions we don’t like.
In a separate post on his own web site, Scott Lively sounds downright despondent over the invisible homosexual hand. And when he gets despondent, he goes even more unhinged:
Consider the magnitude of what our generation is witnessing. Neither the four millennia of legal precedent, nor the opinions of the vast majority of the people of the world, nor the power or the authority of the worlds religions across the globe, nor the painful lessons of secular history of the consequences of sexual perversion to civilizations have proved sufficient to stop a relatively tiny group of sodomites from taking the reins of Western power and creating new rights for themselves at the world’s expense.
It is insanity, and I am afraid that it may be terminal. When the “right” to spread sexual disease and dysfunction supersedes the right to discourage such things in the courtrooms and legislatures of the world’s ruling powers their end is likely near.
And yet, Lively is apoplectic over the notion that anyone could possibly consider his Abiding Truth Ministries a hate group. Go figure.
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Craig L. Adams
April 6th, 2011
Well, he is wrong. Many of us otherwise-conservative minded Christians have had to come to terms with homosexuality as an issue with a human face because gays and lesbians have been courageous enough to come out! And, they have done that in the face of rejection and personal disparagement. And, attitudes are changing precisely because the issue now has a human face for the American people.
Rob in San Diego
April 6th, 2011
When is this guy going to come out of the closet.
I can just see it, when the next big earthquake hits San Francisco, it will all be an act of GOD against the sodomites.
Lindoro Almaviva
April 6th, 2011
Translation:
Jerry
April 6th, 2011
when ever I hear the name Scott Lively my brain automatically translates that to Snott Sniveler.
Religious organizations have been spreading disease and dysfunction for far longer than 4 millenia.
Ben in Oakland
April 6th, 2011
I had absolutely no idea that my dick is so big.
What am i saying?
That I could wield so much power over a clearly unwilling world.
Oh, scotty, scotty, scotty. We, the official Gay Mafia and Menace, are simultaneously your very best hopes and your very worst fears.
And I’m not talking about the world, just you. No wonder you have become unhinged.
homer
April 6th, 2011
Sheesh, the same things were blabbered when Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. Thousands of years of historical traditions flushed down the outhouse.
Richard Rush
April 6th, 2011
While Scott Lively’s sexual orientation is, admittedly, still a matter of speculation, it is surely accurate to say that he is 100% homosexually oriented (and obsessed). Like the Barber/LaBarbera duo, his life is completely immersed in homosexuality. Not only does his livelihood depend on homosexuality, but he surely thinks about, writes about, or talks about it 24/7. An appropriate name for his professional job-category is probably “homosexualist” (similar to biologist, etc.). And then it would be accurate to say he is living the homosexualist lifestyle.
I just don’t think that healthy heterosexuals who are secure in their sexuality would immerse themselves so deeply and completely into homosexuality. They would be captivated by a world full of much more interesting things to do with their lives.
Timothy Kincaid
April 6th, 2011
No no no no no no no
I’ll happily accept Gandhi and somewhat bemusedly take in Malcolm X. But please Dear God don’t let Scott Lively end up as part of my community. Please let the camp of ‘hetero missionary position only and then while desperately trying not to have too much lust’ crowd keep him.
Ben in Oakland
April 7th, 2011
I don’t want him to be gay either.
but I would like him to be arrested at a rest stop while getting serviced by a prominent bishop of any anti-gay church.
That would be very satisfying.
Richard– good point. How do you immerse yourself in the gay lively-style without actually being one of them?
BlackDog
April 7th, 2011
I just don’t understand how some people can be so fixated and obsessive about other people’s sexuality, period.
Scott Lively creeps me out, not least because he didn’t seem too bothered by having a pedophile manage his coffee shop, but also because I know from personal experience that obsession about someone else’s personal life and sex life can lead to stalking and whatnot. (For the record, I was stalked by a woman) I guess I just get a “creepy” vibe from a lot of these anti-gay guys.
I’m not sure he’s gay, truth be told I don’t really care…but to me such obsession about sex (gay or otherwise) really seems indicative of some sort of problem.
Richard Rush
April 7th, 2011
To clarify, I think that “healthy heterosexuals who are secure in their sexuality” could certainly have a professional interest in homosexuality as a fascinating phenomenon for genuine scientific study and research. But, of course, Lively/Barber/LaBarbera’s obsessive interest in the subject only extends as far as devising preposterous theories to support their own preexisting consuming need to persecute us, and to motivate others to persecute us. And that doesn’t constitute a deep interest in a subject; it constitutes a deep psychological problem.
Timothy Kincaid
April 7th, 2011
Richard,
I think the difference between healthy heterosexuals who are secure in their sexuality having a professional interest and the type of attention paid by Lively and Barber and LaBarbera is that the former is interested in the psychological, cultural, or interpersonal dynamics of gay people, while the latter is focused solely on the mechanics of sex, the more fetishized the better.
A heterosexual with professional interest might attend a Men of Leather event to interview participants and study perceptions of masculinity, for example, while LaBarbera just wants to take pictures of bare butts and attend the most salacious S&M workshop possible.
Ben in Oakland
April 7th, 2011
Timothy– you left out being able to earn a pretty swell living while obsessing about something which you disapprove so much.
Richard Rush
April 7th, 2011
Yes, Timothy, exactly. As far as being “focused solely on the mechanics of sex” goes, I suppose there are two components to it. One, of course, is that they are obsessed with sex, but the other is that it’s useful as a means of dehumanizing us.
But I’m not sure that their dehumanizing is so much deliberate, as it may be a byproduct of who they are. For fanatical Christians, all humans are, by definition, stinking pieces of crap until such time as they demonstrate submission to the correct belief system. So, in some sense, they are dehumanizing themselves. That seems to be the reason it’s so easy, for example, for them to redefine “loathing the homosexual” as “loving the homosexual.” The genuine emotion of love has been wrung out of them and replaced by empty statements in conformance with the belief system.
Richard Rush
April 7th, 2011
Ben in Oakland,
I’ve often wondered about the incomes of anti-gay luminaries. I suspect, though, that the true obsessive/compulsives, like Lively and LaBarbera, would do it even for a subsistence level of income. They simply cannot help themselves. Those two are self-employed homosexualists. (As an aside: If they were forced to seek a real job, it would be fun to read their resumes. I’d love to read their lists of job functions over the years, and particularly their lists of accomplishments.)
Others, such as Maggie Gallagher, who loom very large among anti-gay luminaries, are another story. I’d love to know how much loot Maggie is hauling in. Surely, it’s the only reason her Hindu husband sticks around, and is willing to remain hidden away in the attic.
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