Linda Harvey on LGBT People Being “Allowed To Live and Love As They See Fit”

Jim Burroway

July 1st, 2011

Mission America’s Linda Harvey thinks we just simply shouldn’t be allowed:

Our President has launched a broad scale attack on traditional values. If homosexuals and transgenders are allowed to live and love as they see fit, we would have a whole societal mess on our hands, which is already starting to happen in some areas. We’re already seeing the denial of liberty, intimidation tactics, and flat out dirty tricks in the effort to silence concerned citizens, especially Christians. And I’m sure many of you are as dismayed as I am over our hyper-sexualized culture, well homosexual activism only puts that trend on steroids.

homer

July 1st, 2011

I guess some gay guy gave her a bad hairdo sometime and she has been bitter ever afterwards.

Kate

July 1st, 2011

“Denial of liberty”// “Intimidation tactics”?? “Flat out dirty tricks”??? That’s THEIR strategy…

What’s sickening is that she will be quoted and held up as “proof” that these things are happening, and the ignorant people who listen to her will never demand any expamples.

Well, I am…ok, who was denied what liberty? Who was intimidated? (presumably by gays?) What flat out dirty tricks were used to make the Christiansexualists feel threatened?

gar

July 1st, 2011

She looks like Prof. Umbridge.

David Foreman

July 1st, 2011

In 1912, there was a constitutional proposition to ban interracial marriage. It was claimed that if interracial couples married “the very fabric of society would dissolve.”
Gee. That’s sounds vaguely familiar

Mike

July 1st, 2011

Harvey’s usually pretty vile, but isn’t this way off the script even for her? I hope she keeps it up because speech like this is exactly what we need to prove animus.

KZ

July 1st, 2011

If she’s this obsessed with traditional values (like man/woman marriage and typical gender roles), she should shut her trap and go into the kitchen to fix me a sandwich. Roast beef, please.

Ben in Atlanta

July 2nd, 2011

She, like everyone else can call herself whatever she likes. There is absolutely no evidence that the woman is a Christian. Every time she opens her mouth she disqualifies herself. It’s a complete failure to walk the talk.

Shut up sinner. I do not believe you. You’ve earned a good shunning.

WMDKitty

July 2nd, 2011

@gar — let’s not insult “Professor” Umbridge, now.

Priya Lynn

July 2nd, 2011

Her appearance mirrors her personality – that is one hard looking woman!

Jonathan Oz

July 2nd, 2011

I think what upsets this woman, and people like her, is that they can not spew their hatred, and have everyone nod in agreement like bobble head dolls either out of ignorant agreement or intimidation. She fails to distinguish between “denial of liberty” and “being disagreed with”.

Priya Lynn

July 2nd, 2011

Jonathan I think people like her think they’ve got a right to oppress LGBTs and if they aren’t free to deny us our rights they think that is denying them their liberty.

David

July 2nd, 2011

If she’s concerned about the hyper sexualised society she lives in, direct her attack at the corporations, magazines, fashion chains etc that perpetuate and encourage the trend in women and young girls to which men respond. Her standpoint of concerned Christian citizens being drowned out about the ‘gay agenda’ is utterly risible, they’re some of the most vociferous.

Roa

July 2nd, 2011

I just went on the Mission America website and left her a message. It’s really quite easy if you care to take the time.

I let her know that she and other christians are not the victims as she paints them to be and that the tactics she describes were the tools used on me as I grew up christian. OK, so maybe I shouldn’t have ended it by saying she’s an ignorant fool with a big mouth but I couldn’t help myself.

Balam Stolas

July 2nd, 2011

Anyone who cares to look with an unbiased eye can see she’s right that American culture has become hyper-sexualized–and the homosexual movement has been one of the central movers here. The very idea that some elementary school children are already homosexual is vile. Leave our children alone, please.

Paul

July 2nd, 2011

Hyper-sexualization?
Please. The majority hetero community should be blamed for this, not the GLBT population.
What a double standard. As long as it’s straight people being exploited and explicitly portrayed in the media, it’s fine. But God forbid a depiction of healthy gay relationships and two guys or girls kissing. That’s just SICK. /endsarcasm
If anything, the media should be blamed for the squandering and caricaturization of the GLBT community. Oh, how they misrespresent us! Not all gay men are “queens”, nor are all gay women “butch”.

@Balam, how would you know if elementary school children are already homosexual? Because some skewed poll orchestrated by the FRC nutbags says so?
For that matter, I do have a problem with sexual relations–heterosexual or homosexual–being discussed with elementary-aged children. However, there is no harm in letting kids everywhere know that love comes in all different forms, whether it be between a man and a woman, two women, or two men.
Thus I ask you if you would rather have kids be sheltered all through their school careers and violently react when they see something “out of the norm” (that which they were “educated” about in school)?
Sad for you, but GLBT people are the norm, and have been for quite a long time. You can hide that from your kids, or rather “protect” them all you please, but the truth has to surface eventually.
Get used to it.

Richard Rush

July 2nd, 2011

Balam, it’s 2011. Are you really so ignorant that you believe children can be taught to be gay? Really?

As a teenager in the 1950s/60s I never saw/heard anything about homosexuality, yet I knew I was exclusively attracted to boys, and instinctively knew I needed to keep it a secret for years. It would have helped me tremendously if I had been taught that it’s okay to feel attracted to other boys. What you see as a world getting worse is actually a world getting better.

Instead of being a follower of vile authoritarian bigots, like Linda Harvey, you would benefit by seeking some genuine education.

RWG

July 2nd, 2011

She frets and worries about how oppressed the Christians are while lining up the boxcars to ship us all off to the ovens. She’d have us all behind barbed wire, each waiting our turn for a gas shower if she could. Her own kids and those of her neighbors too, if they turned out to be gay.

You can’t write off people like that as simply crazy, they are extremely dangerous and need to be closely watched. After they lose the national marriage equality battle, they’ll start to stalk us with hunting rifles, just as they do doctors.

Ben in Atlanta

July 2nd, 2011

What bias? Get the beam out of your own eye, Balam. I see with perfect clarity.

What homosexual movement are you talking about?

Y’all made up the hyper-sexualized bit. That makes you liars.

We know where babies come from and so would your little bastards if you told them young enough.

Roll your un-holy bullshit into a tube and sodomize yourself with it.

I refuse to confuse God with Santa Clause.

Shofixti

July 3rd, 2011

Hyper-sexualization is an issue that affects any sexuality. All homosexuals are not responsible for the organisation of circuit parties or gay cruises just like all straight people aren’t responsible for swingers parties and Las Vegas weddings and/or strip clubs.

Hyper-sexualisation is a product of hyper-consumerism and commodification, which teaches us to use our bodies as commodities and as advertising. People get rewarded for appearing sexual and so they repeat the behaviour in order to be rewarded again.

I was in a supermarket this weekend and a girl barely taller that my hips was waiting at the customer service desk with mascara and other make-ups on. It was such a confusing sight.

boatboy_srq

July 3rd, 2011

There’s been a lot of discussion elsewhere of Harvey’s “If homosexuals and transgenders are allowed to live and love as they see fit” line. Someone please explain how anyone voicing that is NOT advocating violence in some fashion, because nobody I’ve seen discussing it can.

And “the denial of liberty, intimidation tactics, and flat out dirty tricks” describes very clearly resistance to allowing “homosexuals and transgenders [the right] to live and love as they see fit”.

Anyone who thinks this particular subset of US’ citizenry will be content with anything short of rounding up all LGBTQ people and quietly eradicating us is kidding him/herself.

Chuck Farley

July 3rd, 2011

Old Linda’s been a b*tch ever since Dorthy’s house landed on her sister.

james

July 3rd, 2011

whats so funny about this balam guy is that i know with a name like that he isnt “white”…. if most so called evangelicals etc had there way he would be right there with us in the gas chambers and execution chambers. trust me balam these old white evangelicals do not like brown or black or yellow skinned people. you to will be the next one taken out of the picture after us queers have been taken care of.

Balam Stolas

July 4th, 2011

I didn’t say homosexuals are solely responsible for hypersexualization of our culture; they have certainly helped push in that direction though. All the same media that show lots of homosexuals also show teens fornicating, young girls dressed like whores, and all the rest of it. Sexuality has always been a regulated part of human nature for a reason; if people are not regulated by society, many of them will not regulate themselves and disease and illegitimacy will skyrocket.

Roy Dalgleish

July 4th, 2011

The thing I find most interesting about Balam Stolas’ hate filled rant is the philosophic underpinning.

The logic runs like this. You are not capable of controlling yourself or your sexuality. However, I (or some other self appointed guardian of morality) am able to determine what is best for you.

Therefore, your civil rights, your right to leading your life as you choose, is forfeit.

You have no right of appeal, because I have claimed the moral high-ground already, citing “God’s law” as the basis of this decision – a truly “God given right” to remove your rights and freedoms.

An interesting, and indeed sick, point of view. Speaking as a Quaker, I find the second guessing of God’s will even more repellent than I do the underlying grandiosity.

Priya Lynn

July 4th, 2011

Balam gays have nothing to do with heterosexual teens having sex or young girls dressing like whores, it is entirely your heterosexual culture that is to blame for that. Like so many bigots you attempt to blame an innocent minority group for the problems you yourselves are responsible for.

Balam said “Sexuality has always been a regulated part of human nature for a reason; if people are not regulated by society, many of them will not regulate themselves and disease and illegitimacy will skyrocket”.

LOL, that is so wrong and stupid. Human society didn’t start to develop until about 30,000 years ago and humans in our present form have been around for around 200,000 years. For the vast majority of humanities existence sex was not regulated and people thrived anyway.

You want to regulate your sex life, please do, don’t procreate. However you have no right whasoever to “regulate” the sex life of anyone other than yourself.

Paul

July 4th, 2011

Priya, thank goodness someone understands! (well, based on previous responses, I think a lot of people do)

On a slightly unrelated note, I think it’s quite ironic that Conservatives, undoubtedly types like Mrs. Harvey, are not fans of “big government,” and want to live their lives with little government intervention (lest we live in a “socialist” society), yet they will fight tooth and nail for government legislation to squander the freedoms of everyone else.

“Our freedoms are the only ones that deserve protection.”
Most notably the freedom to discriminate and dehumanize individuals who THEY deem unworthy of basic human rights.
UGH.

But please, Balam, name all the shows that have “a lot” of homosexuals. I’m rather curious now, considering at the most, a show might have two to three at a time (not to mention the fact that they’re usually minor characters)
Then see how much human nature needs to be “regulated” as far as their sex lives go.

Soren456

July 4th, 2011

Balam and Linda Harvey speak in only value judgments and, unaware of themselves, slip toward the margins with every sentence.

There’s no debating them unless you agree that they’ve put their finger on a problem, and I don’t agree.

Pacal

July 4th, 2011

Isn’t it nice when people like Linda lie and lie and lie.

Oh and Balam thanks for the old tired trope of Homosexuals being after “our” children again.

Soren456

July 4th, 2011

One thing I meant to add:

Balam Stolas/Vepar Amon said:

“The very idea that some elementary school children are already homosexual is vile. Leave our children alone, please.”

I surely agree with leaving them alone. It could start with you.

As for “vile,” here’s looking at you:

My mother says that as early as kindergarten, I got crushes on other little boys.

And she’s right. I remember some of them. Not that it meant anything odd to me then; that’s just the way my emotional attachments were oriented (notice the use of that word). I was in the culture; I knew about girlfriends, husbands and wives, bulls and cows, but me — I liked other guys. At age 5. Innocently. And without apology, then or now.

Still do like others guys. I just graduated from college. I’m happy, healthy and productive — productive in ways Linda Harvey and Balam/Vepar will never be. I attribute this to my parents who, unlike Linda Harvey and Balam/Vepar, LEFT ME ALONE.

In fact, my parents worried that I hadn’t told them that I am gay, thinking that I feared their reaction. That I could fear them for any reason caused them pain, yet they respected my right to raise the topic myself, in my time. When, at 14, I told them, I was met with torrents of love. Torrents. It couldn’t have been better.

So yeah, Balam/Vepar, let’s leave the kids alone. They’re going to turn out okay.

Ben In Oakland

July 5th, 2011

Balaam– get off your ass and see the light.

They are not your children. they’re ours. you don’t want them. We do.

Becuase unlike you, we will love and protect our children from the likes of the christobigots.

Timothy Kincaid

July 5th, 2011

An interesting, and indeed sick, point of view. Speaking as a Quaker, I find the second guessing of God’s will even more repellent than I do the underlying grandiosity.

Roy Dalgleish,

Perhaps one of the most obvious but least understood of the ten commandments is this one: “Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.”

It isn’t about saying “God dammit!!” as some naive church folk teach their children.

Rather, it’s a warning about claiming God’s authority. If you want to say what God wants or what God thinks or what is God’s Will, you had better be damn sure that you get it right. You had better be sure that God Himself has selected you – out of all of humanity – to be his spokesman before you take up that role.

In other word, Pat Robertson has some really big reasons to worry.

Timothy Kincaid

July 5th, 2011

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