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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyAugust 27th, 2011
Maybe she's confusing LGBT people with fairies.
Mission America’s Linda Harvey said on her broadcast this weekend that the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network is spinning its wheels with its GLSEN Sports project, aimed at fostering a safe atmosphere for LGBT school athletes and phys-ed students, because there is no such thing as LGBT people:
There’s one big fact that’s not backed up. There is no proof that there’s ever anything like a gay, lesbian or bisexual or transgendered child, or teen or human. One of the other things you’re gonna see as I mentioned is a big campaign GLSEN’s gonna roll out this year calling for ‘respect,’ respect! Not just for people, but for homosexual lifestyle. The PR campaign to hold up gay as a good thing: the lifestyle, not the person, because there are no such humans.
It’s funny how much she obsesses over people who don’t exist, isn’t it?
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Laura
August 27th, 2011
Funny. One could make the same argument for the existence of god.
Donny D.
August 27th, 2011
I don’t know why the pushers of ex-gay ideology think they’ll get any kind of significant cultural buy-in from the average joe or jane. I’d say the overwhelming majority of conservatives and homophobes (overlapping but not synonymous groups) believe that people are homosexual by essential nature, and can’t change. In fact that belief is a part of the homophobia of a great many people.
The idea that “there are no homosexuals, just heterosexuals with a homosexual problem” just doesn’t seem like it would have any legs beyond the fundamentalist milieu and a few of the more reactionary Catholic and gay-obssessed Mormons.
Richard Rush
August 27th, 2011
It’s almost funny listening to a fundamentalist Christian talking about what exists and what doesn’t.
The fact is that no one is born a Christian. All humans are born as atheists. Christians are simply atheists suffering from an indoctrination problem. Therefore, Christians don’t really exist.
Unlike Christians, a certain percentage of humans will be gay without any indoctrination whatsoever. I should know, because I am one of them.
Lindoro Almaviva
August 27th, 2011
you know what? who has this woman’s email address? I think we should send her some emails letting her know that we do exist; nothing insulting, it could just read like this:
Ms. Harvey:
It recently came to my attention that you believe that there are not gay/lesbian/bisexual or transgerder people in the world. Well, i am writing to you to make sure that you do know I exist. Yes, I am gay and very proud of it.
Just thought you should know we do exist and now you know someone who it.
Best wishes,
xxxxxxxx
Laura
August 27th, 2011
The only contact info I could find on their website (except for the mailing address for donations of course) is: webmaster@missionamerica.com
Candace
August 27th, 2011
She looks mad. And miserable. She’d feel a lot better if she’d quit using up so much energy by hating people.
Ben in Atlanta
August 27th, 2011
Cogito ergo sum, bitch!
BlackDog
August 27th, 2011
Hell, I would even cite MYSELF as proof that LGBT people exist…considering my mother is an LGBT person (Bisexual) and I have been aware of this since well before anyone thought it was cool. Obviously, My mom exists, or I wouldn’t.
Christopher
August 27th, 2011
I repeat: WHAT DO YOU AMERICANS LEARN IN SCHOOL?????
I am a frankly baffled Canadian who is not trying to be smug – but for the sake of Pete, WHY do these wingnuts appear so frequently as part of the American societal milieu, and in positions of power and media exposure, yet???
jc
August 27th, 2011
well dang, she should have been around when i was in fifth grade and knew i had an unusual attraction to other boys….if only i had known there was no such thing as a gay child…..now look at me!
Rebecca Ashling
August 27th, 2011
So there’s no such thing as me. Major existential problem or what?
Priya Lynn
August 27th, 2011
Christopher, its different cultures, I think its because religion has less influence in Canada.
Theo
August 27th, 2011
It is worth noting that Linda Harvey’s program was not focused on gay issues. Rather, it was supposed to be a 2011 update on all issues of concern to Mission America members. But 80% of the show was spent on gays. Maybe 20% was spent on sex ed. Unemployment, the debt ceiling, Iraq, Afghanistan, the recession’s impact on youth crime, domestic abuse, and drug/alcohol abuse – all merited not a word of discussion.
A pretty good example of the obsession with gays on full display. How do these people manage to hold the interest of their followers year after year harping on gay issues, which are peripheral for the vast majority of people, including evangelicals?
Emelye Waldherr
August 27th, 2011
I have no proof that Linda Harvey exists either, except for some picture of a miserable looking lady and a blog post that says she exists. Perhaps she needs to meet us all before she believes? Pretty cynical for a person who believes in a religion that has no concrete evidence behind it.
WMDKitty
August 28th, 2011
I’m bi. I’m human. I exist. Linda Harvey can sod off.
Shofixti
August 28th, 2011
There, I fixed it.
John
August 28th, 2011
Just another version that being gay is a choice. It is true that there is no definitive DNA evidence, no gay gene. But then there is no evidence of a heterosexual gene, either. So, one could say that being heterosexual is a choice.
Jerry
August 28th, 2011
I found it interesting that I couldn’t find any information on this woman’s educational background. What amazes me is that with her lack of critical thinking she has managed to live as long as she has. I would have thought she would have stepped off a curb in front of a bus years ago.
I guess she found peddling crack pot religion more lucrative then being a tennis pro.
David C.
August 28th, 2011
Linda Harvey is cut from the same material all anti-gay hacks are. Her fundamental belief is that homosexuality must not be normalized. That normalization can be anything she finds contrary to her narrow interpretations of religious thought but that is where she goes badly wrong, even to the point of creating an unhealthy environment for children by working against direct discussion of anti-gay bullying and age-appropriate sex education for adolescents that would protect their health and reduce teen pregnancy.
Linda Harvey has no legitimate claim to any expertise in the formulation of public policy, is without question devoid of any moral authority, and has no credentials whatsoever that would even remotely qualify her as a social scientist or mental health professional.
There is no evidence for the existence of the God Linda worships nor a rational basis for the specific variety of morality she ascribes to that God—her religion and its practices are a choice, she was not born believing in mythology, superstition nor angels. It is impossible for a person that has not developed from childhood to adulthood as a gay person to know when and how the awareness of one’s sexuality manifests.
Linda Harvey is reduced to nullification of all sexuality except the one she imagines to exist. Taken to its logical conclusion, her position is that there is no such thing as gay or straight, only sexual beings that choose to manifest their urges to mutually agreeing others with compatible drives. Were she to stop there, her character would be redeemed. As it is, she is adrift in an ocean of ignorance and unreasoning bigotry.
Timothy Kincaid
August 29th, 2011
Linda Harvey is not saying that you don’t exist. Rather, she’s saying that there is no proof that your are inherently and immutibly gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender.
Because according to Linda’s worldview, one is only what does. And as you could choose to live in the closet (and resist urges to discuss basketball or the view), then you are not really gay.
Interestingly, this is unidirectional.
If you identify as gay (or bi or lesbian or trans), your claim is dismissed as having no proof. However, if you as heterosexual then that is what you are – even if it needs suspension of disbelief (and a medical condition requiring a luggage lifter).
Jimmy
August 29th, 2011
But then, they can’t prove that we are not born this way (as if proof would matter to them anyway).
Roa
August 30th, 2011
There’s no proof that anyone loves chocolate… you just have to be one of those who do love chocolate to understand that yes, people do love chocolate. There is no “proof” that a sane Linda Harvey exists.
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