OKC’s Draper Park Christian Church Invites Holocaust Revisionist To Speak

Jim Burroway

April 24th, 2012

Scott Lively, whose Abiding Truth Ministry is an official SPLC-certified hate group, has been invited by the pastor of Draper Park Christian Church to preach to the congregation on April 27-29. Lively is the author of The Pink Swastika, now in it’s fourth edition, in which he claims that “homosexuals invented and ran the Nazi Party.” It’s unlikely that the unsuspecting members of Draper Park Christian Church are aware of what is in store for them this weekend. To help prepare them for what’s coming, I think it’s important to lay out explicitly what Lively teachers, including:

(P 32) It was no coincidence that homosexuals were among those who founded the Nazi Party.  In fact, the party grew out of a number of groups in Germany which were centers of homosexual activity and activism.  Many of the characteristic rituals, symbols, activities and philosophies we associate with Nazism came from these organizations or from contemporary homosexuals.

(P 36) Famous events in Nazi history are also linked to homosexuality; events such as the burning of the German Reichstag in 1932, the 1938 pogrom called Kristallnacht, and the 1944 attempt on Hitler’s life.  Even the enduring image of Nazi book-burning, familiar to us from newsreels of the 1930s, was directly related to the homosexuality of Nazi leaders.

He claims that the Nazi’s hatred of Jews came from German homosexual’s “hatred” of Judeo-Christian values:

(P 100): As we seek to understand Nazism, it is important to remember that Judaism and its Christian and Islamic offshoots are fundamentally opposed to homosexuality.  As we begin to grasp the relationship between homosexuality and occultism on one hand, and between homosexuals and Nazism on the other, the hatred of the Nazis for Jews and Christians may be more easily explained.  The Jews were the people responsible for the demise of pagan world domination.  Their theology (especially in its Christian form) banished pagan practices, including homosexuality, to a hidden and often reviled subculture.  This is not to say that anti-Semitism is strictly a result of occult or homosexual influences.  But at its very root there is a spiritual element to the Holocaust that suggests that it was, in some respects, vengeance against the people whose moral laws had relegated pagan sex-religions to obscurity and ignominy.

As for the German gays who themselves were sent to concentration camps, Lively has an answer for that: it’s the result of a war between “butches” and “fems”:

(P43-44) This, then, is the explanation for the paradox of the Nazi persecution of homosexuals.  It is found in the history of two irreconcilable philosophies linked by a common sexual dysfunction.  The  roots of this conflict extend back into the eighteenth century and span a 70-year period which saw the rise of homosexual militancy in the movement that gave Nazism to the world.

According to Lively, Nazism may have been vanquished in World War II, but violent fascism remains the inevitable result of gay people being treated as equals in society:

(P275) One of the symbols with which homosexuals in the United States have chosen to represent their movement is the phoenix, a mythical bird that was said to burn itself on a funeral pyre every five hundred years and then rise from the ashes more majestic than before (Alyson Almanac:56).  A more apt symbol for the historic cycle of homo-fascism and resulting social chaos would be hard to find.  From the ashes of Nazi Germany, the homo-fascist phoenix has arisen again — this time in the United States.

(P297-298) …(H)omo-fascism did not die with Adolf Hitler. It lives on in the neo-Nazi movement and in “gay” culture itself. Clearly, actual Nazis exist today as a radical fringe of society with no real power to threaten civilization. This would be a comforting realization if we presumed that Nazism was itself the source of the evil that threatened to engulf the world and was not merely the product of a deeper and still-enduring social problem. Our thesis, however, is that Nazism was the consequence of Germany’s abandonment of Judeo-Christian morality and that the primary sponsors of its transformation were homosexuals.

Lively claims that what happened in Germany is inevitable to happen in America, in some form or fashion, if equality for LGBT people is enshrined in law.

(P299-300) If the rise of Nazism in Germany was made possible, at least in part, by the homosexualization of German society, what does this bode for America as we watch the steady advance of the “gay” agenda in this culture? Should we expect to witness something like the rise of a Third Reich on American soil? Or would the effect on American society be of an entirely different character? Is the “gay” movement in the United States sufficiently similar to its German counterpart as even to warrant concern? (Certainly the German “gay” culture was far more militaristic than the homosexual movement here, for example). Or is this the wrong question? Is there something about homosexuality (or the broader problem of sexual libertinism) that inevitably destroys the society that embraces it?

…We know that the implicit goal of homosexual political activism is to legitimize homosexual conduct and relationships in a society. This necessarily requires a society to abandon its commitment to marriage as the exclusive domain of acceptable sexual conduct. The abandonment of this standard logically opens the door to every other form of sexual promiscuity. Clearly, such a transformation of attitude is now occurring in America.  What we will find is that this transformation is not the result of random social forces, but of deliberate and systematic political activism by the “gay”  movement.

He has even tried to tied homosexuality to the 9/11 terror attacks:

(P269) We turn next to the relationship between the Nazi regime and the Islamist terror groups which share its militarism and its anti-Semitism. …Islamist terrorism has become an issue of great interest since the attacks of September 11th, 2001, against the United States. Interestingly, the leaders of the nineteen terrorists, including ringleader Mohamed Atta, have been reported to be homosexuals.  ..

This is just a taste of what Lively is likely to preach this weekend at Draper Park. He shared many of these themes during other talks that he has given, including his infamous self-described “Nuclear Bomb” that he dropped in Kampala, Uganda in 2009. It was there where he said that gay men were the “kind of monsters” who would operate Nazi Germany’s gas chambers, and he added the Rwandan Genocide to his list of crimes he holds gay people responsible for. Within days, there were marches in the streets calling for the round-up of gay people and “strengthening” that nation’s laws against homosexuality. By the end of the year, there was a proposal before Uganda’s Parliament to kill gay people, and criminalize virtually everyone else, including family and friends, who had any connection with them.

Draper Park appears to have some sort of connection with First Stone Ministries, an Exodus-affiliated ex-gay ministry under the leadership of Stephen Black. It’s unclear what role he plays in this, but this wall post on Draper Park’s facebook page “thanks Stephen Black of First Stone Ministries” while pointing to an article put out by MassResistance (another SPLC-certified hate group,) about Lively, an “upcoming DPCC keynote speaker.” Exodus International president Alan Chambers quickly moved to disassociate his organization from the upcoming event:

We have learned that Scott Lively is slated to speak on April 27-29 at Draper Park Christian Church, a location where Exodus International held a regional conference in 2009. We want to say clearly and without question that Exodus International has no connection to this event. Furthermore, due to our vast differences with Mr. Lively’s viewpoints, including his stance on the criminalization of homosexuality, we will not participate in, support or promote any event involving Mr. Lively.

Lively has managed to do something no one else has: He has united unusual coalition among Oklahoma City pastors who oppose his message, including some who also oppose gay rights. Wayne Besen has those details, which include a press conference on Thursday, and a live broadcast of Oklahoma: Inside Out Friday evening devoted to Lively’s appearance.

kevin

April 24th, 2012

Who actually published this steaming pile of excrement? Who the hell was the editor???

fred5

April 24th, 2012

It’s unlikely that the unsuspecting members of Draper Park Christian Church are aware of what is in store for them this weekend.

Oh, I would think that the church leaders as well as the members know exactly who and what they are in for when Lively gives his speeches.

See here for the sanctimonious press release and here for some delightful evening reading. (Also take note of the latter URL and the name given to the event and tell me that the webmaster and this church doesn’t have an ax to grind against gays.)

Snowman

April 24th, 2012

I feel like I need to wash out my brain after being offered a free copy of one of his books by that second link.

Scott Lively disgusts me, I can’t help but wonder what drives him to such hate, not to mention what skeletons he has in his closet.

There’s something about that guy that creeps me out.

Regan DuCasse

April 24th, 2012

He is SO offensive on so many levels, I don’t know where to start. I’ve been a member of a volunteer at the Simon Weisenthal Center in Los Angeles for a very long time.
It’s a Holocaust archive and anti hate educational institution. Lively and his cohorts are the very people WE’D invite on a DARE to get the real deal about the Nazis and the Holocaust.
I was there when the center initiated and involved PFLAG and other pro gay advocates and education experts on not only what happened to gays and lesbians before and during the Holocaust, but the necessity of subsequent equality activism.

I’ve been blessed to know several Holocaust survivors (national treasures if you asked me) and their impact of bearing witness to that terrible time.

There is footage of several American generals and other allies telling the troops to be sure and find and preserve every scrap of evidence they could. Because, they rightly predicted, someone would “try to say it never happened, blame the wrong people for it, deny the planning and course of such an outrage and destroy any evidence that proved it”.

Scott Lively is a disgrace and any church that treats him like an honored expert guest, is too.

Why they WOULD entertain this ass, instead of a legitimate Holocaust educator is truly saying exactly what needs to about this church and their agenda.

Aaron Teague

April 24th, 2012

He is out to offend as many people as he can. He is what is wrong with and makes me distrust most Christians.

Lynn David

April 25th, 2012

Lying Christians make Christiannity a lie.

David H

April 25th, 2012

Draper Park Christian Church homepage has closed the possibility to comment on Scott Livelys visit (and removed(?) any comments that possibly where made about it). Gee, I wonder why?
It has some youtube pages (not about Scott) that accepts comments at
http://www.youtube.com/user/DraperParkChristian

Charles

April 25th, 2012

Sure the NAZI movement was a homosexual movement to take over the world. The man is insane as Hitler was.

The Church has shut down the comments section for everything at the church website. I sincerely hope that the church receives an enormous backlash from those in their community over inviting this man to speak and promote his propaganda.

Reed

April 25th, 2012

David H:
Thanks for the YouTube link. I’ve left a couple of comments there (quoting the Ugandan “Nuclear bomb” paragraph above).

I also included the following:
“Please consider this to be an opportunity for prayerful discernment. And for the love of God, please remember Zach Harrington, the OK teen who killed himself after enduring Lively-style “testimony” at a town hall in Norman.”

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