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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyNovember 8th, 2012
His side lost because they weren’t nasty enough:
Pro-family advocates must stop looking for short cuts and return to their principled duty of educating citizens – especially brainwashed youth — on why homosexual behavior is wrong, unnatural, unhealthy and – most important – changeable. (Thousands of former homosexuals like DL Foster testify to the reality of ex-“gay” change.)
Reframing the debate to “defending marriage” – a “positive” approach once seen as the salvation of the pro-family movement – only gave well-organized “gay” activists a big, fat target to shoot at: “Marriage.” And on Tuesday, they scored several direct hits on that target. By pretending that the fight to preserve real marriage is somehow separate from homosexuality, pro-family advocates undermined their core principles – leading to long-term (and even short-term) defeat.
Who are we kidding? This titanic fight has always been about homosexuality, not just “defending marriage.” We need to stop conceding the moral high ground in a fearful bid to appear “tolerant”: one pro-family group, Protect Marriage Maine, asserted that “same-sex couples are entitled to respect” – a claim at odds with historic Scriptural teaching. While Christians should respect all persons as made in God’s image, we must never “respect” behaviors and relationships grounded in sexual sin.
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TampaZeke
November 8th, 2012
Anti-gay people, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEEEEEEEASE listen to this man and get even nastier and even more extreme. Follow the Fred Phelps guide to making friends and influencing people. If you do that you’ll beat back the uppity homosexuals and return America to the country you so crave. REALLY!
Bose in St. Peter MN
November 8th, 2012
Great call by LaBarbera here.
If only the archbishops had called LGBT teens (and their parents) “brainwashed”.
If only Joseph Nicolosi had toured the four states using his clients as showpieces.
If only D.L. Foster had done a road show about the evil of lgbt-affirming faith.
If only the anti-equality leaders had shut down any claims of respect for same-sex couples.
If only Bradlee Dean had been the face of the Minnesota videos instead of Kelly Yanta.
THEN, it would all be different today.
Hyhybt
November 8th, 2012
I largely agree with him. The whole “it’s just about marriage” thing is and has always been a lie; the proof is how the arguments used, especially when the person making them isn’t especially careful, devolve into arguments against specific sex acts or the supposed lack of complementarity between people who don’t have opposite types of genitals. At least, following his advice, they can be more honest about that.
And, as many people now KNOW they know gay people who are pretty much normal folks, I’d especially love it if they’d harp more on that claim that we all have a thousand sex partners and don’t want real relationships.
Sam
November 8th, 2012
I just want to print a copy of this reaction and frame it on my wall. This is by far the best reaction to your wins from the opposition.
I don’t feel sorry for Porno Pete. His side lost and lost badly.
StraightGrandmother
November 8th, 2012
TampaZeke Your comment, ha-ha-ha, I am ROTFLMAO!!!
Neil
November 8th, 2012
“Many timid, guilt-ridden Christians make rotten Culture Warriors,…”
Says La Barbera. It seems he laments that Christians no longer have the stomach to burn heretics.
Richard Rush
November 8th, 2012
“Many timid, guilt-ridden Christians make rotten Culture Warriors,…â€
Peter should convert to Islam and relocate to Pakistan. His life would be much more satisfying:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/05/pakistan-acid-murder-anusha_n_2075467.html
Ben In Oakland
November 8th, 2012
“This titanic fight has always been about homosexuality, not just “defending marriage.”
Of course, Petie. We knew that. lad to see you admit it, too.
Snowman
November 9th, 2012
Porno Pete? Yeah, that sounds like a nickname somebody would give to a good, upstanding Christian man…
OK, nevermind, I couldn’t even type that with a straight face.
Does anyone actually take this guy seriously?
Priya Lynn
November 9th, 2012
“This titanic fight has always been about homosexuality, not just “defending marriage.â€
Its always solely been about gayness, its never been about “defending marriage” – no one on our side has ever tried to stop anyone from marrying.
jerry
November 9th, 2012
These people found a source of income that’s almost as lucrative as state lotteries and they know they are going to lose their gravy train.
Regan DuCasse
November 9th, 2012
I really love how he’s calling Christians who don’t follow in lock step with him ‘timid’.
As IF he’s such a stalwart and courageous person for what he’s doing.
It’s so easy to laugh at this delusional pus wart.
It’s not courage to use defamation, nor foment it.
You’re not taking any risks, when the people you treat this way are not threatening, violent or have any wish to be.
There is no strength in obsessing about lives lived as law abiding, tax paying and responsible people.
It doesn’t take any bravery or endurance to be nasty to people who are only doing what others are SUPPORTED, if not applauded for doing.
Gay folks are the allies of civil society, not it’s enemies.
And Pathetic Pete is literally throwing shade at people he doesn’t think are acting strongly enough against windmills?
He is a white, heterosexual, Christian male in America. He has freedoms, rights, privileges and protections he’s never had to lift a finger to have, much less deserve.
He couldn’t be one of us, a gay person, a woman, or person of color for two seconds, if this is all it takes to get his jock in such a knot.
What a pasty little worm. And as for DL Foster, he’s no better either. It takes strength to be an out and proud gay man.
It takes courage to rise above defamation and prove it wrong. It takes big brass ones to do so, without firing a shot, but engaging due process of law.
Both men are so weak and spineless.
So easy, to laugh at them.
JohnAGJ
November 9th, 2012
So what, he’ll show what a courageous cultural warrior he is by going to even more S&M events – wearing azzless chaps of course?
Ugh.
Actually, that’s a mental image I didn’t need…
Hunter
November 9th, 2012
Snowman:
“Does anyone actually take this guy seriously?”
Let me tell you a story about LaBarbera, who was the founder of the Illinois Family Institute: He tried twice to put an advisory referendum on the ballot calling for a constitutional amendment defining marriage as “man/woman.” The first time, about half the signatures were bogus. The second time, he didn’t even get enough signatures to file the petitions. Shortly thereafter, he was asked to leave the IFI.
Let me put it this way: no one with two brain cells to rub together pays any attention to him.
Jim Hlavac
November 9th, 2012
who are these 1000s of “ex-gays”? So far it seems everyone in that business admits they are 100% failures — now this guy comes along again to say 1000s — I doubt you could fill a small conference room with all the “ex-gays” these people talk about. Other than that, he’s genocidal — he just wants us gone – and I don’t think he cares how. And the bum doesn’t even thank us for the job we provide him. Egad, what a putz.
Hunter
November 11th, 2012
It’s easy to refer to “thousands” of ex-gays if you never bothered to do any follow-up studies to determine how many of them remained “ex-gay.”
Not that there were ever thousands of them to begin with, but what’s a decimal place here or there?
emma
November 11th, 2012
the actual ammount of “ex-gays” is not really known, at first it was “millions” then “hundreds of thousands” it has been jumping around exodus has never provided any actual numbers. Wayne Besen was quick to point out that most of the “ex-gays” they trotted out as shining examples, of what prayer and Jebus can do for you, all seemed to be on various religious rights payroll.
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