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  1. Brennin Statistician
    March 16, 2013

    gsingjane:

    You are mistaken. I called Ileana Ros-Lehtinen a pendeja, which is an insult, to be certain, but it is not a homophobic slur. Here is the #1 entry from urban dictionary for pendeja:

    “same thing as pendejo but in a feminine way … spanish for moron, idiot ect”

  2. Ben in Oakland
    March 16, 2013

    Intrinsic finality?

    Tee UND hee.

    Not all masturbation is intellectual, my. Friend.

  3. gsingjane
    March 16, 2013

    @ Brennin – you were right and I was wrong; based on how I’d heard the word used when I lived in NYC I had assumed it was an anti-gay slur but after having looked it up, I see that isn’t so. I got quite an education, actually.

    Still and all, I don’t see where calling someone an “anal pubic hair” has much of a place in what purports to be a serious intellectual discussion.

  4. Priya Lynn
    March 16, 2013

    Brennin said “Homosexuality is still irrational and a violation of the intrinsic finality of humans; males and females have complementary sexual organs for a reason.”.

    There is noting irrational about two people doing someting they enjoy which hurts no one. What’s irrational is to oppose that. Just because sexual organs can be used in one (heterosexual)way does not mean they cannot be used in a slightly different way or that they shouldn’t be used in that way.

    The irrationality is entirely yours Brennin.

  5. Priya Lynn
    March 16, 2013

    I should add that morally speaking the onus is not on gays and lesbians to justify why they deserve the same rights as everyone else, the moral onus is on bigots like Brennin to justify denying rights to a minority that everyone else has.

    Innocent until proven guilty. Morally speaking you can’t assume its justifiable to deny gays the right to marriage without giving a good reason. And you don’t have one.

  6. Hue-Man
    March 16, 2013

    One point that seems to be missing from this interesting discussion is that Portman had a choice – he could have done what many other Republicans have done in a similar situation and KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT. He could have mumbled “traditional marriage” and “states rights” and he would have been safely in the 90% of the TeaParty/GOP. My interpretation of his political motivation is that he’s trying to be a leader – that is, catch up to the majority of Americans! – on an issue that he also happens to have a personal interest in. I’m not going to criticize him nor throw a parade – how about a “good on ya”?

    Off-topic: At the top of the comments, gsingjane asked: “Do you really get as worked up about anti-Muslim prejudice in society, or about discrimination against the disabled, if these things don’t affect you directly?”

    I do. As a member of a community, discrimination against another member of the community reflects upon me. On a more practical level, once you allow for one group to be discriminated against, it’s open season for discrimination against anybody and everybody.

  7. Richard Gadsden
    March 16, 2013

    “There is more joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth than over 99 who have nothing to repent.”

    Welcome, Sen. Portman. Changing your mind, in public, as a politician, is hard. Well done, and welcome to the right side of the argument.

  8. Timothy Kincaid
    March 17, 2013

    Homosexuality is still irrational and a violation of the intrinsic finality of humans; males and females have complementary sexual organs for a reason.

    You come here speaking of irrationality and follow it up by an appeal to theology. As a Protestant, I’m not an advocate for what Catholics (ironically) call Natural Law, nor am I a believer in “intrinsic finality”. So I’ll just laugh at your second objection and address your first.

    Sexuality as experienced by any living human is irrational. It’s emotional and hormonal and driven by instincts that defy logic and rational thought.

    In fact, about the closest thing to “rational sexuality” would be the intentional mechanisms applied to achieve pregnancy, preferably without coitus. A lesbian couple utilizing artificial insemination is rational. Heterosexual f@cking is not.

  9. Ben in Oakland
    March 17, 2013

    Like I said to him, Timothy.

    Not all masturbation is intellectual.

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