The Watchmen: Protections for LGBT Youth Worse Than Holocaust Furnaces

Jim Burroway

October 18th, 2007

Earlier this week, California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed several pieces of legislation which improves the rights of LGBT residents of that state. Much of that legislation is designed to protect students from harassment and bullying in public schools by making sure teachers and school administrators fully understand their responsibilities to protect youth.

These protections for LGBT youth have generated howls of protest among leading anti-gay activists. Not the least of them are the Watchmen On the Walls, an emerging international anti-gay extremist group we’ve been monitoring recently. The Watchmen will be meeting in Lynnewood, Washington this weekend. We’ve already offered a preview of some of the virulent, hate-inducing rhetoric emanating from that group from a Watchmen conference held last August in Novosibirsk.

Another glimpse into what we might find at the upcoming confab can be found in last weekend’s Watchmen gathering in Sacramento to protest the governor’s latest moves. For example, Randy Thomasson of the Campaign for Children and Families spoke at that Watchmen meeting and said that the new laws in California will leave children “morally raped” in the classroom. And then there’s this, from a translation of the Watchmen’s Russian-language web site:

Vlad Kusakin, human rights activist and owner of “The Speaker” media holding company, told the audience: “Now it’s time to rescue our children from the public schools as from a hellish furnace. Just like one who would prescribe the burning of kids in the Nazi’s concentration camps furnaces, now 65 years later Arnold Schwarzenegger opened furnaces which are even worse for our children by his signature. Pray and fast for the kids and families of California and take your kids out of public schools”.

We earlier reported on Scott Lively’s influence in the Slavic-American evangelical community. That influence comes mainly from his book, The Pink Swastika, where he blames gay people as being behind the formation of the Nazi Party and carrying out the Holocaust. This theory has been readily accepted among a population who suffered mightily at the hands of the Nazis during World War II. You can see this reflected in Kusakin’s remarks.

Lively, who with Seattle-area pastor Kenneth Hutcherson, and Riga, Latvia megachurch pastor Alexey Ledyaev, founded the Watchmen. Lively also spoke in Sacramento. Again, according to the Russian language web site:

Scott Lively, human rights activist, historian and lawyer, stated that “in American legislatures there are ways to pass, as well as to repeal, any law. Therefore, the only thing we’re lacking in the struggle for Judeo-Christian morality is the unity of the churches and the courage of clergy. Let’s put away our denominational ambitions and unite our prayers and efforts for the sake of rescuing the civilization.”

George Neverov cited statistics on deaths and diseases among homosexuals, and he also demonstrated that 3% of population is dictating the moral principles of life for the rest of overwhelming majority: “For how long shall we cowardly bend before a morality that is alien to us? For how long shall we swallow all that loathsome stuff that is imposed on us by immoral law-makers and minorities? When, O Church, will you raise in prayer and spiritual battle over the land that is entrusted to you?”

Ken Hutchison dismissed objections to the Watchmen’s violent rhetoric, telling The Seattle Times: “You’re going to have extremists on any aspect on any teaching.” But these extremists aren’t just some fringe part of the Watchmen movement. Lively and Kusakin, along with Hutcherson, are among the most prominent U.S.-based leaders. In the Watchmen world, these guys don’t represent the extremes; they’re at the very the core of the movement.

The SPLC’s Casey Sanchez reported that the Watchmen “routinely deliver hateful screeds on the airwaves and from the pulpit in their native tongue that, were they delivered in English, would be a source of nationwide controversy.” Maybe it’s time we learned a little Russian.

Thanks to Ruslan Porshnev for his help with the translations.

Lynn David

October 19th, 2007

….cowardly bend before a morality that is alien to us…. swallow all that loathsome stuff….

George Neverov spins a nice turn of the phrase to spin up the hatred.

I bet I can guess what “progomoseksualnymi” means and the conotation… eh, just means prohomosexual. If you’re in need of small amounts of translation SDL/Free Translation [] seems to be among the top free sites.

Lynn David

October 19th, 2007

Whoops… sorry about the blockquote overload.

Have you see Scott Lively’s “Letter to the Russian People?” It is at:

Much the same as the phrasing I cited above, Lively knows how to use Russian fears (of loosing population) to promote his cause: “If this were to occur [Russia promoting family values and having gays enter treatment], I believe people from the West would begin to emigrate to Russia in the same way that Russians used to emigrate to the United States and Europe


October 19th, 2007

This just gets uglier and uglier (and thanks for keeping on it Jim, collecting it together).

It’s been well over 4 months since the activities of his “very dear friend” Hutcherson was bought to Alan Chambers’ attention. It had been raised here, at Good As You, etc … but we can know minimally when Alan was aware because he responded (badly) to a comment at XGW.

Thus far, dead silence.

I fear this is Cohen all over again. Exodus will blatantly work alongside for years, and Alan will say and do nothing until the stink gets too much. And then, a rapid folte-face:

“Exodus did not have professional relations with that man…”

Alan, your blue dress is ready.


October 19th, 2007

volte-face, dear, not folte.

Emily K

October 19th, 2007

“Judeo-Christian morals”???

They’re not JUDEO morals, that’s for damn sure.

adam kautz

October 20th, 2007

You know what these people don’t realize is that the violence they are promoting could very well come back to them. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that a population like our community can only be pushed so far until there is a backlash. Do they really want a homosexual to christian bash these people. That is what it is coming to.

Ken R

October 20th, 2007

You know what these people don’t realize is that the violence they are promoting could very well come back to them. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that a population like our community can only be pushed so far until there is a backlash. Do they really want a homosexual to christian bash these people. That is what it is coming to.

Adam, they ( the anti-gayers) pray that it will happen. It is their way of making money off the suffering of others. If they promote the idea that evangelical christians are being persecuted they will make more money to line their pockets. They need an “us” vs. “them” mentality in order to succeed.

Emily K

October 20th, 2007

Also, have they even seen groups like t.A.T.u.? I think the popularity of homo-erotic performers like those kinda puts a damper on anything the Watchmen are attempting.


October 21st, 2007

Emily K:

IIRC tATu was specifically manufactured to appeal to the “creepy Barely Legal pornhound” demographic. Apparently in Russia as over here, lesbians are hawt– unless they’re, you know, actually lesbians, in which case they’re ugly man-hating dykes.

Martin Lanigan

October 21st, 2007

Lively states:

“Let’s put away our denominational ambitions and unite our prayers and efforts for the sake of rescuing the civilization.”

Who would of thought it possible? Only the universal hatred of the homos is a sufficient reason to unite the Xian denominations.

A sane person can be excused for thinking that eradication of poverty, achieving racial equality, ending war, delivering universal education, or providing decent health care would be reason enough to unite the denominations.

Apparently not.

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