8 responses

  1. revtj
    August 2, 2008

    My dear friend you are apparently not a Presbyterian. Gagnon and his anti-gay gang will prevail in this matter as they have for over 25 years (i.e. the measure will never be approved by the required majority of prebyteries.) Call it legalism, hypocrisy, graceless, or whatever you like but it exists in EVERY religion and EVERY denomination for the purpose of either resisting change or forcing change. Loopholes and donors matter a whole lot more than anybody expects. Those who wish to see gay ordination in the PCUSA are simply going to have to wait for a generation of lawkeepers to lose their ground, or perhaps, in the course of due time, be put under it.

  2. cd
    August 2, 2008

    The part I don’t quite get is the quasi-obligatory putdown preamble. I’ll guess that there are donors, colleagues, or the dean of the seminary that make this sort of thing as good as mandatory.

  3. Buffy
    August 2, 2008

    It would be a breath of fresh air if people like Gagnon would just come out and say “I hate gay people” instead of covering it up with religious legalism and dogma. But sadly that won’t happen any time soon.

  4. AJ
    August 3, 2008

    The difference between a moralist and a legalist is that the former believes Jesus is a trial court judge whereas the latter believes Jesus is an appellate court judge. Grace is not law, unless a theologian says it is. Ipsissima verba, jure humano.

  5. Ben in Oakland
    August 3, 2008

    The fault, my dear buffy, lies in our stars. well, actually, theirs.

    I no longer believe that all of this comes from sincere religious belief, though I wouldn’t, unless i were a fundamentalist, attribute it to pure evil and the debbil workin’ on us.

    Rather, the prejudice is there, it is justified by religious belief, but plain old psychology says that people like gagnon stil need to feel good aobut themselves. So, they justify and rationalize everything they do and say to validate their views that they are just fighting evil and debbil.

    After all, how many people can say iwth a straight face: I’m a bigot and proud of it!

  6. cd
    August 7, 2008

    I no longer believe that all of this comes from sincere religious belief, though I wouldn’t, unless I were a fundamentalist, attribute it to pure evil and the debbil workin’ on us.

    I’ve been reading some paleocon blogs myself lately, and I think you’re right.

    I think there’s a detached attitude to truth and sincerity that forms over time. I think it begins when willpower gets used to overcome doubts: eventually the whole set of beliefs is held by willpower (desire coupled to diminished cognitive analysis) rather than conscience.

    That schizophrenic condition then starts working its way into behavior and other realms of life: lying becomes okay, because it serves the proper end of maintaining the eminence of the body of beliefs.

  7. thejes
    September 27, 2008

    hi
    my name is Thejes kumar.
    i want to know some doubts about bible.
    my question is:
    1.WHERE IS THE HELL ?
    WHERE IS THE HEAVEN..?

    PLEASE answer my questions..

  8. Priya Lynn
    September 27, 2008

    No such places Thejes, they’re imaginary.

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