16 responses

  1. Evan
    August 18, 2008

    Poor guy.

    Doesn’t he have a job? Or is this somehow included in his job description…

    It’s appropriate to put Gagnon in the same category as LaBarbera, I suppose, since LaBarbera has always fawned all over him as the anti-gay that gays “are too scared to debate.”

    I’m always amazed at the amount of vitriol right-wingers are willing to spew, yet when one of us uses the slightest bit of snark in a response, they’re the first to cry “victim.”

    Anywho.

  2. Jenny
    August 18, 2008

    Wow, What a very angry person. All that looking down his nose, must have given him a headache.

  3. Schag
    August 18, 2008

    Love your blog. Just wondering why you spend so much time on this wack-job. I actually took the time to visit his website and I determined that … it was an utterly complete waste of my time. The dude is obviously crazy and as far away from the Christ as one can be.

    Why waste so much time on his rants?

  4. Timothy Kincaid
    August 18, 2008

    Schag,

    It took me a while to realize just how far out there Gagnon really is; at first I was commenting on what I thought was a credible (though somewhat peculiar) theologian. Now he just amuses me.

    But, as I noted above, it’s time to let him go.

  5. Patrick ONeill
    August 18, 2008

    Here is a hint for any future dealings with such people.

    Any time you are talking to someone that thinks a magical dude in the sky wrote us an instruction book and wants to discuss various interpretations of the instruction book – you are dealing with a nut job, and wasting your time.

    Just a thought.

  6. JJ in Chicago
    August 18, 2008

    Keep up the good work, Tim.

    When you get a response like this from such a quack, you know that you hit the bullseye.

    Keep challenging him and keep him on his heels.

    It aggravates the hell out of him. And that puts a smile on my face.

  7. Timothy Kincaid
    August 18, 2008

    Patrick,

    As a Christian, I doubt that your advice will be very useful to me.

    JJ,

    Thanks.

  8. David
    August 18, 2008

    I can’t respond with anything other than the typical internet ‘ROTFL’. I had to do a double-take when I noticed that his pdf file there is entitled ‘homosexBoxTurtleKincaid6′ (I didn’t know you were a homosex!).

    Personally I find the idea of the centurion having a sexual relationship with his pais quite far-fetched for a number of reasons, and I’d agree with Ralph Blair’s statement that the Bible is an empty closet (while similarly approving of a pro-gay theological stance). But I simply do not have the willpower to read through Gagnon’s essay. If he could stick to scholarship, reason, and a humble but assured attitude, I might find it engaging. As it is, it’s not worth the time.

    I have been a bit surprised by Gagnon; while I’ve found his views (only from articles, I haven’t gotten around to reading his tome) rather poorly defended – especially concerning his great dependence on Genesis as a model and a mystical aspect (to which real personalities are molded, or stereotyped) of complementarianism – I’d thought he was at least one of the more level-headed folks advocating the Traditional View*, and not so much plain anti-gay. I have been disappointed.

    * I don’t like the term ‘anti-gay’ as it is somewhat of a smear, unless one is referring to out-and-out bigotry. So I use circumlocutions like ‘traditional view’ for those whose objections are at least partly grounded in reason and thought.

  9. Patrick ONeill
    August 18, 2008

    Well as a christian then, your problem will always be that as a gay man any arguments that you might make about bible translations not being homophobic are seen as being in your self interest – and rightly so.

  10. Samantha Davis
    August 18, 2008

    You know, I kind of think Gangon rather feeds of the attention.

  11. Jay
    August 19, 2008

    Robert Gagnon, c’mon if Jesus really cared so much about stopping the world from becoming filled with same-sex couples, wouldn’t his scripture have addressed this in a very straight-forward way? (and we all know that it doesn’t). If you say, well, it was a different time when he lived, I’d say, isn’t Jesus the all-knowing fella who talks to future generations? Where’s the beef (in scripture), Gagnon? Do you really think he wants us sitting around arguing about this when we’ve got a war waging that has already killed thousands of people? What would Jesus think of that? Oh . . . right, Jesus told Bush to go kick some ass in the Middle East.

  12. Ben in Oakland
    August 19, 2008

    David wrote: * I don’t like the term ‘anti-gay’ as it is somewhat of a smear, unless one is referring to out-and-out bigotry. So I use circumlocutions like ‘traditional view’ for those whose objections are at least partly grounded in reason and thought.

    I have yet to hear any comment against the ending of this stupid prejudice and the full inclusion of gay people in our society that ever has ANYTHING to do with reason or thought, unless it is these two:

    my reason is that I hate queers.

    My thought is that book written thousands of years ago that I think i might understand if it were, shall we say, CLEAR, is a good guide to life in the 21st century, except for the parts that I disagree iwth because they are not. Have some ham.

  13. Rick Brentlinger
    August 19, 2008

    “…literalists are going to delight to discover that the story of the Roman Centurian was not at all as Scripture reports it…”

    Rob Gagnon holds many odd beliefs which conflict with the beliefs of the conservative evangelicals who support him. For example, Gagnon embraces the Documentary Hypothesis which, among other things, posits that Moses did NOT write the Pentateuch, an assertion which would certainly surprise Jesus, Luke 24:27, John 5:46.

    In the New Testament, Gagnon believes (sola fide), in the imaginary Q document, the allegedly lost textual source for Matthew and Luke’s Gospels. Most of the evangelicals who depend on Gagnon’s scholarship vehemently disagree with him about Q.

    A staunch Presbyterian, Gagnon nevertheless rejects Presbyterian and reformed doctrine by asserting that saved people can lose their salvation, see pp. 282, 288, 338 of his book. Strange, very strange.

    Rick Brentlinger

  14. toujoursdan
    August 19, 2008

    Keep it up. Gagnon is oft cited by the Anglican/Episcopal right-wing in their assertions.

  15. Scott
    August 20, 2008

    Wow, Timothy. You certainly must be doing right to have drawn such vitriol from Gagnon! Do you think he ever stops to consider what his vehement obsession on this sole topic (homosexuality) says about him to the people around him? Or what it implies about his own sexuality? As we used to say back in the day, “i think his slip is showing!”

  16. Andy
    October 26, 2008

    Timothy you are clearly out of your league in attempting to debate Prof. Gagnon. His points are far more weighty and nuanced than you imply, and the biblical and theological evidence against homosexuality is overwhelming.

    Regards,
    Andy

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