Box Turtle Bulletin

Box Turtle BulletinNews, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric
“Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife…”
This article can be found at:
Latest Posts

The Protectors from “Anti-Religious Bigotry”, in their Own Words

Timothy Kincaid

December 8th, 2008

Below are listed a few choice comments by those who oppose “mob veto“. These do not encompass all that they may think on the subject and some, like Ron Sider, may have views that have evolved over the years. But, nonetheless, these are statements that hardly add credibility to the position of the Becket Fund and it’s coaltion of indignant objectors to gay protestors.

Ronald J. Sider – Evangelicals for Social Action

We cannot ignore this general truth when we come to the issue of AIDS. If the Bible teaches that homosexual practice is wrong, as I think it does, then it is right to suppose that violating God’s law in this area will have negative consequences.

This is not to say that the AIDS virus is some supernatural divine creation to punish homosexual practice; have emphasized that I reject that view. But I refuse to bow to today’s widespread relativism and deny and ignore the clear biblical teaching that some actions are wrong no matter what Hollywood or Greenwich Village says. Ignoring the moral order of the universe has consequences.

As a citizen. I insist on the right to say that and to seek to shape public policy in ways consistent with that belief without being called a bigot. [Emphasis added]

Chuck Colson – Prison Fellowship

It’s these attitudes, and the worldview that produces them, that have fueled the gay-rights movement. It rolls on because it resonates with what many Americans believe. And that means that the only way to slow it down is to change the terms of the debate: to once again establish that we are not lower than the animal species, that sex is not for recreation-it is for procreation.

This is why, for example, we need to pass a federal marriage amendment. If we do nothing, we are going to be facing the same future that Christians in the UK are facing: a future in which preaching the truths of the Gospel is against the law.

Dr. Alveda King – civil rights activist

God hates racism and God hates homosexuality.

Add to this Mr. Obama’s unprecedented support for homosexual rights and anti-procreative marriage legislation, which includes his promise to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and which would unleash a storm of sexual immorality such as America has never seen: then we can see which way the wind is blowing.

That’s what we’re facing today in the debate over homosexual rights. Homosexuals can either choose to be victims, or choose to make a change.


William J. Donohue – Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights

Who really cares what Hollywood thinks? All these hacks come out there. Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It‘s not a secret, OK? And I‘m not afraid to say it. That‘s why they hate this movie. It‘s about Jesus Christ, and it‘s about truth. It‘s about the messiah.

Hollywood likes anal sex. They like to see the public square without nativity scenes. I like families. I like children. They like abortions. I believe in traditional values and restraint. They believe in libertinism. We have nothing in common. But you know what? The culture war has been ongoing for a long time. Their side has lost.

Name for me a book publishing company in this country, particularly in New York, which would allow you to publish a book which would tell the truth about the gay death style. There are certain things that the left won’t tolerate. They are censorial at heart.

Marvin Olasky – The King’s College, New York City

Last week’s Washington tempest blew in when Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said that if the Supreme Court in a pending case rules that homosexual practice is constitutionally protected, “then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything.”

Instead of being defensive, Republicans who are both wise and shrewd will go on offense. They should ask gay interest groups and Democrats to respond to Santorum’s challenge: Make a constitutional argument that will differentiate the right to consensual gay sex from a right to bigamy, polygamy, incest, or adultery. … As Santorum knows, once we move off that [“developmental spec sheet” that God has given us], anarchy reigns.

But what happens when individuals or their churches believe that homosexuality is wrong? Gays need strong governmental action to keep people from speaking out against it. They need criticism of homosexuality to be declared “hate speech.” They need government to force religious organizations to hire gays or facilitate adoption by gays.

Roger Scruton – writer and philosopher

The propaganda that has tried to rewrite heterosexuality as an “orientation” is really an attempt to persuade us to overlook the real truth about sexual union, which is that it is, in its normal form, the way in which one generation gives way to the next.

This truth is recognised by all the great religions, and is endorsed in the Christian view of marriage as a union created by God

Equally novel is the loss of the concept of normal sexual desire. In 1963 we still saw homosexuality as a perversion, even if an enviably glamorous one. We still believed that sexual desire had a normal course, in which man and woman come together by mutual consent and to their mutual pleasure. We regarded sex with children as abhorrent and sex with animals as unthinkable, except for literary purposes. Thanks in part to massive propaganda from the gay lobby, in part to the mendacious pseudo-science put out by the Kinsey Institute (whose charlatan founder has now been admitted to the ranks of saints and heroes), we have abandoned the concept of perversion, and accepted the official view of ‘sexual orientation’ as a natural and inescapable fact.

Armando Valladares – former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Human Rights Commission

[If Obama wins] more than ever, our society will be in great danger. One of his objectives is the dissolution of the family and its values. Obama supports marriage between same-sex partners. He wants to bring it to the Constitution. Obama is in favor of the adoption of children by gay couples. Rather than favoring prayer in schools, he advocates the distribution of condoms.

Not all signatories have expressed views that are so undisguisedly hateful or in opposition to equality, but by joining forces with those who expound views that are inarguably bigoted they are tainted and their argument loses all moral authority.

Comments

POST COMMENT | COMMENT RSS 2.0 | TRACKBACK URL

AJD
December 8th, 2008 | LINK

The following comment by Chuck Colson was my favorite:

“[T]he only way to slow it down is to change the terms of the debate: to once again establish that we are not lower than the animal species, that sex is not for recreation-it is for procreation.”

I remember learning in biology class long ago that sex for recreation is one of the marks of an intelligent species because smart organisms are capable of getting bored and naturally seek amusement. What does that say about people like Colson?

Rick
December 8th, 2008 | LINK

The phrase “a storm of sexual immorality” is really just fundamentalist closet-case slang for, “It’s raining men!”

Darn, caught without an umbrella again.

Various churches (Catholic included) also once fully endorsed slavery as an acceptable, Christian practice justified (they claimed) by scripture. They were wrong about that then, Dr. King, and you’re wrong about homosexuality now.

Rick
December 8th, 2008 | LINK

Ron Sider insists on the right to publicly claim homosexuals defy God’s law. He then infers that AIDS is a consequence of our (homosexuals’) defiance of God’s law.

But this doesn’t make him a bigot, he insists. He has the right to feel this way, he says, without being called a bigot.

Bigot:

“Obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one’s own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions.” [Oxford American.]

HappyCat
December 9th, 2008 | LINK

As Bugs Bunny says,’What a bunch of maroons.’ Quoteing the late great Man on Dog Santorum, that’s a winning path to success.

I just hope that while Obama is working to fix the economy and exit Iraq, he doesn’t forget his promise to repeal DOMA.

cd
December 9th, 2008 | LINK

Theyre just desperately trying to reframe the debate about gay marriage. Apparently their claims that they are not bigots for opposing gay marriage is not doing well in focus groups anymore.

SharonB
December 9th, 2008 | LINK

I am glad several of these bigots are going on the record as opposing non-procreational sex. Shows their true colors on birth control.

To be consistent they should be in favor of annulling marriages of the sterile (whether voluntarily or not), and those past menopause.

Oh I forgot, they are hypocrites.

b
December 10th, 2008 | LINK

I love how in these “mob veto” naysayers’ comments, and seemingly EVERY conservative’s anti-gay diatribes for that matter, they have to bring up Hollywood. It’s ALWAYS some dig at Hollywood and its supposed “promotion” of homosexuality.

I have to agree with them about that, since after all Ellen Degeneres has a talk show that, if you’d NEVER heard of her at all, you’d NEVER know she’s an out and proud lesbian.

And you know, there’s that in-your-face promotion going on in the daytime soaps, what with there being a gay couple, Luke and Noah, on As The World Turns, whose on-air kisses [as far as I know] can be counted on one hand, while their fellow hetero couples are depicted getting it on at all kinds of stages of undress. I mean it’s like they’re just SHOVING this gay stuff RIGHT in people’s faces on this show.

And boy oh boy, you just can’t escape that in-your-face pro-homosexual advertising in the music biz, what with recording artists like Rufus Wainwright, k.d. lang, and Ani DiFranco who are practically DOMINATING the Billboard music charts RIGHT NOW.

Oh and don’t forget about how gay people are the DARLINGS of the late-night talk show circuit, where there is little-to-no mention of gay people that isn’t a joke with a punchline that amounts to “So-And-So is gay, so they do this-and-that stereotypical behavior, HA HA HAAAAAAAA!!!”

And jeez Louise, all those transgendered characters who are regularly featured prominently on ALL the highest rated sitcoms on network TV right now, I mean it’s like you can’t turn the channel without seeing them!!! Sheesh!!

[BTW this is SARCASM about how the entertainment industry seems to still largely keep gays, bisexuals and transgendered people out of the sandbox, if the tone of any of my above statements didn’t already make this apparent. :D]

Leave A Comment

All comments reflect the opinions of commenters only. They are not necessarily those of anyone associated with Box Turtle Bulletin. Comments are subject to our Comments Policy.

(Required)
(Required, never shared)

PLEASE NOTE: All comments are subject to our Comments Policy.