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  1. Sal Ignab
    April 15, 2010

    Michael hit it right on the head – the message that gay = broken/disfunctional/bad is horrible, and it’s not just limited to Exodus. It prevades society from marriage, to blood donation, to taxes and even the forms you fill out at the doctors office. It really wears people down. Makes them suicidal. It’s evil. And it’s institutionalized.

  2. Joe Allen Doty
    April 15, 2010

    Several years ago, I got a personal phone chat with Michael Bussee.

    I started reading about Exodus when articles appeared in the General Council of the Assemblies of God denomination’s “The Pentecostal Evangel, a weekly magazine you could pick up at church.

    I had originally thought that church were he started it was an AG but, it was an independent Charismatic.

    I feel special because Michael is a hero type to us who tried to deny our sexuality. I didn’t go do the ex-gay route but I experienced it. The Lord found a way to get me out of Tulsa for a while to get me out of the closet. that was a miracle in itself and how he did it.

  3. Brian
    April 16, 2010

    Yes, exactly, that IS the damage. Personally, though, I would take it one step further and assert that any form of Christianity that promotes the doctrines of salvation, heaven and hell do similar damage. Is it any wonder that so many of us LGBT find that to preserve our own sanity that we have to walk away from the anti-gay message that we are sick, broken, damaged AND the anti-human message that we are sick, broken, damaged. Salvation, in my humble opinion, is one of the most evil teachings out there.

  4. Quo
    April 17, 2010

    Those sceptical of the idea that ex-gay groups like Exodus cause harm won’t be convinced by this, as they might believe that convincing gay people that there is something wrong with them and that they are damaged is good, since that message is true.

  5. Timothy Kincaid
    April 19, 2010


    Rather than generalize, why don’t you just say that there is something wrong with you and that you are damaged. Perhaps we can find agreement on that.

  6. Quo
    April 23, 2010


    Yeah, there are all kinds of things wrong with me. That’s pretty obvious, and I’m not interested in denying it. It doesn’t affect my point, though.

  7. John
    April 23, 2010

    Quo has become increasingly aggressive, lashing out now in multiple posts, since his beat down in the Ted Cox’s Journey into Manhood post comments section. I wonder if he is bucking to be banned in order to explain away how his posts in that thread were so completely ripped apart.

  8. Quo
    April 23, 2010


    I’m as calm as I’ve ever been, thank you. It’s not really a good idea to try to divert this thread into a discussion of something else that happened on a different thread.

    Since you mention it, though, I’ll say that Grantdale’s and Tommy’s criticisms of what I argued there were actually helpful, despite being very unclear, and despite being mixed up with a lot of insults and personal abuse. I tried hard to avoid responding to the abuse, and I think I succeeded, so I’m not worried about being banned.

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