Exodus Co-Founder: I Never Saw One Of Our Members Become Heterosexual

A multi-part video interview series with Michael Bussee, co-founder of Exodus International turned critic.

Daniel Gonzales

April 27th, 2010

Today’s video is short and concise.  I asked Michael point blank if he believed anyone in his program at Exodus ever changed.

(transcript after the jump)

I’m Michael Bussee, I’m one of the original co-founders of Exodus International. I left the program in 1979 and have since reconciled my spirituality and my sexuality and now I’m a vocal critic of reparative therapy programs and of Exodus International.

[music begins]

[title: I Never Saw One Of Our Members Become Heterosexual”]

[voice of interviewer:] When you were a leader at Exodus, did you ever have people report that they had changed? Did you believe that anyone was even changing?

I had many people report that they had changed or were changing… not so much that they had changed past tense, but that they were in the process of change, that they were becoming more and more heterosexual or that they were becoming… more often that they were becoming less and less homosexual, they were becoming sort of asexual.

So I had people who had claimed that they had changed, I never believed it.

Never really believed it… wanted to believe it, but I never really saw it happening, I never saw one of our members or other Exodus leaders or other Exodus members become heterosexual.

So deep down I knew that it wasn’t true.


April 27th, 2010

Of course not. Sexual attraction is hard wired.

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