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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyJune 2nd, 2010
Holocaust revisionist Scott Lively has a new post up at his web site, in which he promises to personally go all-out to oppose the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” by distributing copies of his book, The Pink Swastika to every member of the Senate — assuming he can get the donations he needs. Yes, there’s a fundraising angle, but that shouldn’t distract anyone from understanding that Lively is a true believer in his Holocaust revisionism whether it pays him a red cent or not.
In the Pink Swastika, Lively posits that the German Nazi movement was, at it’s very core, a homosexual movement, and that militant and violent fascism is the core feature and goal of the LGBT equality movement. He uses that same twisted view of history to argue against DADT’s repeal.
Lively certainly can’t be faulted for having an overly-active imagination. Consider his prediction of what will happen if DADT is repealed. First, if gays are allowed in the military, then straight people will refuse to serve. Those straights who remain will turn to violence in response to the unrelenting sexual harassment. That violence will lead to “politically correct” sensitivity training, which will prompt a further exodus. This then leads to a draft, which would be supported by the “anti-war Lefties.” But that sensitivity training? It won’t work, so they will have to segregate the services into gay and straight units. And that’s when the homosexuals take over all the branches of the military — just like, he says, what happened in Nazi Germany.
Whether or not a segregated service was initiated, a homosexual subculture of servicemen would form, characterized by intense internal loyalty and political ambition. Eventually, this “army within an army,” buoyed by pro-homosexual “affirmative action,” and the ability to act covertly (due to the fact that some would remain “closeted”) would come to dominate the services. What would they do with such power? The historical precedents are uniformly bad.
And just when the gay-Brownshirts have their own private army, that’s when the gay-hating Muslims gang up and attack. The end.
You know, I hope Lively does succeed in getting his message to every U.S. Senator. If he didn’t exist, we’d have to invent him.
But in all seriousness, the truly disturbing part of this whole thing is this: Lively’s lunacy is easy to laugh at when he lets his paranoia run wild here in the U.S. But when he exports it to Russia, Eastern Europe or Uganda, it causes real and lasting damage. He’s a buffoon, but that doesn’t mean he’s not mortally dangerous.
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justsearching
June 2nd, 2010
In the 1920’s, gays in Germany were more accepted than in most parts of the world. Hitler comes along and the government bans all gay organizations, burns scholarly works on homosexuality, murders some known homosexuals within the Nazi Party, arrests nearly 100,000 men accused of homosexuality up to the end of WWI, placing perhaps up to 15,000 of those in concentration camps.
I wonder if Lively considers these details to be important. I agree with Tim. I hope every last senator gets to hear or read Lively’s arguments against DADT.
Swampfox
June 2nd, 2010
The man is utterly daffy.
Jonathan
June 2nd, 2010
Considering the fact that
a Christian subculture of servicemen has formed, characterized by intense internal loyalty and political ambition. Eventually, this “army within an army,†buoyed by pro-Christian “affirmative action,†and the ability to act covertly (due to the fact that some would remain “closeted“) has come to dominate the services. What have they done with such power? The historical precedents are uniformly bad, particularly those at the Air Force Academy, an institution that while under the control of evangelical Christian hierarchy and cadet corp suffered the worst rape record in the history of the Service Academies.
KZ
June 2nd, 2010
People against repealing DADT know that their losing this battle. Desperate times call for loonier claims. Just days ago, Bryan Fischer, certified idiot at the AFA, reiterated Lively’s claim that Hilter and his closest military advisors were gay.
Bart
June 2nd, 2010
We are in an era where if you say somethimg loud enough, long enough it is then considered fact. That’s the theory that people like Scott Lively adhere to. In a country with a vast internet connection, where media is ever-present, this idiotic ridiculousness never really gains traction other than to make the speaker look like a tin foil hat wearer with one too many cats who thinks that aliens are listening to his thoughts. The sophistication of the typical American far outshines the science fiction spouted by a Scott Lively. But in a less sophisiticated country like Uganda, it creates a rip tide cesspool that draws people into it because their reality is what someone tells them it is, like the poo-poo obsessed Rev. Sempa (for those who have heard him speak, you’ll know what I’m talking about.) Is a Scott Lively dangerous in this country? Probably not. Most likely, he actually hurts his own cause because he turns off even ardent homophobes with is bizarre socio-fantasies. But elsewhere in the world, he is both shamefully and disgustingly dangerous. And if he truly believes in the God he sometimes speaks about, people like Lively and the nutty Sempa are destined for the same hell they want to condemn other people into.
Dan Vojir
June 2nd, 2010
The Gay Blood Libel
Bart: I agree with you about Uganda, but not about Lively’s influence in the U.S. You said “the sophistication of the typical American.” Well, that “sophistication” has eroded over the years and the Christofascist Right has been largely at fault: a surprising percentage of people believe in the kind of anthropomorphized, vengeful, jealous God of the Old Testament than we had previously thought, giving rise to homeschooling, The Creation Museum and the Texas School Board.
The Gay Blood Libel may stick to people willing to believe that gays were responsible for the Holocaust. These are people who need hatred for the sake of hatred. Please don’t discount Lively. Some lives may be at stake.
SharonB
June 2nd, 2010
Jonathan raises an exceptionally prescient point: here Lively is merely projecting on his enemies(gays) what he and his relionistas have secretly wished to do, and to a degree have accomplished in the military!
Mike
June 2nd, 2010
I think I would like to help Lively get a copy of his book into the hands of every senator, just so that they might realize what kind of extremist nutjob he is.
Lynn David
June 2nd, 2010
Lively’s worst nightmare isn’t the homoerotic-militaristic fantasies he makes up and puts in books. It’s two men or two women walking hand in hand down a street pushing a baby carriage while an older lady stops to congratulate the parents on their children. So here’s to Lively’s worst nightmare, may find its way into the very heart of America.
Derrick
June 3rd, 2010
Lively’s work is dangerous even though it is laughably wrong. Why is it dangerous? Because most Americans don’t know how to evaluate arguments and evidence.
Lively discusses a handful of people in the Nazi movement who are alleged (some based on nothing more than rumor or gossip) to have been gay, confidently asserts that they were all gay, asserts that Nazism was caused by their “homosexuality” and further asserts that gays in America in 2010 are potential or actual Nazis.
In a recent letter on this subject, posted on his site, he offers as evidence of the American gay movement’s fascist leanings the fact that the first gay group in America was formed in Chicago in 1924. That group had a parent organization in Berlin. That group in Berlin had a member, Ernst Roehm, who became a Nazi. Accordingly, although neither the Chicago organization, the Berlin organization, nor any of its founders were Nazi and even these organizations ceased to exist decades before the rise of the modern gay rights movement, the membership of Roehm is evidence of the Nazi leanings of the gay movement. To a good number of people, this all makes perfect sense.
oatc
August 4th, 2010
“But when he exports it to Russia, Eastern Europe or Uganda, it causes real and lasting damage.”
A real shame then that, while he is free to export his hatred, the interviews that destroy his credibility are restricted to US viewers only.
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