55 responses

  1. Dan
    January 6, 2010

    I had to stop the first video at about 3:50. It was just too twisted. I have read the Pink Swastika and have found it to be a laughable web of lies, but one that is highly appealing to those who wish to believe that gays are a dangerous societal threat.

    Lively has also suggested the the two Columbine killers were ruthless homosexuals. This charge can be found on Youtube. In fact, both of the killers were straight, as their online diaries showed. Eric Harris had a girlfriend and Dylan Kleibhold bemoaned his lack of a girlfriend.

    What really shocked me in this video though is his assertion, out of nowhere and based on nothing, that the Rwandan genocide was perpetrated by super-macho gays. As far as I know, Lively has never even attempted to study the Rwandan genocide and has not published on it. Yet he feels free to make a public charge like that. If there was any doubt about his mendacity, this puts it to rest.

    In fact, the Rwandan genocide was an entirely hetero affair. There is not one known or suspected gay member of the Interhamwe and if there had been, he would have been killed. Virtually every adult Hutu male in Rwanda is a married family man, just like Scott Lively. Indeed, the 1994 genocide involved Hutu men and women at every level of society. Whole neighborhoods turned on their Tutsi neighbors. Catholic priests led Tutsi into churches and then betrayed them to the Interhamwe. If you want to get a sense as to how it went down, read “Left to Tell” by Immacule Ilibagiza. She lived it and has been working with the UN to help the country recover. Needless to say, her detailed account has not one word about killer supermacho gays or for that matter, any gays.

    Since the 1994 genocide was committed by ruthless heterosexuals, using Lively’s logic, all heterosexuals are actual or potential Interhamwe. When do we start rounding them up?

  2. Evan
    January 6, 2010

    Considering his audience, the Rwanda lie turns my stomach.

  3. Lynn David
    January 6, 2010

    Makes me glad I don’t have the bandwidth to view his bile. But keep up the good work, BTB!

  4. anteros
    January 6, 2010

    YUCK!

    Why would so many people sit and listen to such crap? …and then digest it as though it were true?? …and then sit down to formulate laws based on… unbelievable! This is the same guy who tried to wash his hands clean by saying it would be racist to suggest that Ugandan legislators are too dumb or just incapable of coming up with this bill on their own. Well, if some Ugandans could host and entertain this guy and his crap… suck it all in wholeheartedly… and then repeatedly quote him with pride when discussing the bill… then racism aside, dumb people are dumb people.

  5. Jafuf
    January 6, 2010

    I don’t understand why you constantly give this closet queen a pulpit to rant on?! It’s almost as if you’re promoting his insanity. I had never even heard of this moron until I started reading this bulletin. I wish you would devote more time to important people and issues.

  6. Warren Throckmorton
    January 6, 2010

    Thanks to BTB and XGW for this video. We had reports that he blamed Rwanda on gays but this makes it undeniable.

  7. anteros
    January 6, 2010

    I’m glad that BTB is exposing him. Many people, especially in Uganda, are not aware of the kind of lunatics who inspired the anti-gay bill’s creation and how they inspired it. His lies and insanity need to be exposed so that we all know what we’re dealing with… Ugandans like Langa have been refering to this guy as an expert… people need to see what kind of “expertise” he’s been feeding his Ugandan audiences and its effect.

    Great job BTB!

  8. Tom Murray
    January 6, 2010

    Thank you for continuing the work you do to shed light on the hate spewed by these right wing nuts.

  9. anteros
    January 6, 2010

    Ugandan pastors were dumb enough to present that Pink Swastika book in an attempt to justify/defend the bill. How disgusting.

  10. Joe
    January 6, 2010

    Jim, Timothy,
     
    you guys have both done excellent work covering the developments in Uganda.  It has been so encouraging recently to see governments and major news outlets like the New York Times finally catching on and beginning to speak out.  THANK YOU.
     
    Thank you particularly for posting these videos.  I needed to see them to be shocked into the reality of the total lies and distortions people like Scott Lively have been presenting to the Ugandans (and others as we have learned through your other reports on his speaking with the “Watchmen on the Walls” group).  I confess that as years have passed since I personally heard lies and distortions like these coming from leaders in the ex-gay movement, I had forgotten just how twisted and extreme some of the things they say can be–or how unquestioningly accepting some audiences still are of these lies.  Wow.  I really needed to see this.  Lively really takes the cake in these videos with his descriptions of gays as “the kind of people you’d need to operate gas chambers”.  Wow.
     
    Here’s hoping this video goes viral and gets picked up by more media outlets.  I hope this, along with your other reporting on his “work”, leads to the eventual demise of his “ministry” and the spread of such malevolent lies.  Great work on the video juxtaposing Lively’s statements with the actual facts.  Through educating people with the TRUTH, may there one day never be an audience that would so blindly accept such a presentation. 
     
    Joe

  11. David
    January 6, 2010

    I don’t know if there has been any violence as of yet because of this bill, but when and if there is, Mr Lively will have blood on his hands. The mind boggles at how he is able to say these things with a clear conscience. Thanks for the continued reporting, BTB.

  12. Jean-Paul Bentham
    January 6, 2010

    Historic footage. Scott Lively, remember that name.

  13. BobbiCW
    January 6, 2010

    Excellent report — thank you!

  14. BILLOFTHEDESERT
    January 6, 2010

    This is unbelievably vile. We need to stand up to this threat. Many thousands will be victimized by this “movement” and lives will be lost, real people will die.
    Uganda is a country that cannot afford to feed or employ its own people, yet it finds resources to pay for this? The West needs to monitor more closely how its aid is being spent.
    And the U.S. in particular has a moral responsibility to rein in its religious crackpots who consider developing nations their playground. The Ugandan audience has obviously not been told that the ex-gay movement is not legitimate and that these views are not widely held in the United States.
    David Batati is a politician on the move in the former home of Idi Amin. How quickly the world forgets.

  15. David Blakeslee
    January 6, 2010

    Excellent work Jim…

    “He knows more than nearly anyone in the world on this topic.”

  16. Hunter
    January 6, 2010

    Write to the US State Dept. (address the letter to Sec. of State Hillary Clinton and send a copy to Johnnie Carson, Assistant Secretary – Bureau of African Affairs) and demand investigation into Scott Lively’s activities in Uganda. His efforts to promote violence against, and persecution of, people based on sexual orientation and/or gender identity are not limited to the present situation. The effort to foment a genocide against LGBTs is an ongoing global project, which he has been working on in Latvia, and Russia. He has been recruiting Russian evangelical Christians in Northern California for the effort as well. It is possible that he is breaking laws in the process. At the very least some of his foreign collaborators should be barred from the US as person who have engaged in persecution. Also write to the US Embassies in: Kampala, Uganda; Riga, Latvia, and Moscow, Russia, and demand investigation.

  17. TampaZeke
    January 6, 2010

    Scott Lively may be more dangerous in Uganda where this level of batshittery is swallowed hook line and sinker without hesitation but I honestly believe that, in America, he is much less dangerous than the Rick Warren’s and Joel Osteen, who sell their anti-gay poison in smaller doses and mixed with candy so that it doesn’t scream, “I’m a hateful extremist”, the way Lively does.

    At least Lively is right up front about his hate. In this country, it’s the “kinder, gentler” bigot that we should be most fearful of.

  18. Tina
    January 6, 2010

    Hunter, I like your Do-Something-About-It approach!

    Here’s my question: Is this something the State Dept would investigate?

    Why?

    I’m looking for some education on this. I’m sure there are actions we don’t take b/c we don’t realize that there is help available, or laws being broken.

    Thanks!

  19. Priya Lynn
    January 6, 2010

    You nailed it, Tampazeke

  20. MikeinSF
    January 6, 2010

    This is exactly how genocides start. Demean and blame everything on a small minority.
    Lively pulls an accusation out of his butt that gays were behind Nazism and uses a Nazi trick to get people to hate gays. Vile little circular argument.

  21. Grant
    January 6, 2010

    Another educational question: Does Amnesty International get involved with situations like this (pre-emptive calls to action before the law is passed), or do they only take action after such a law is enacted?

  22. Matt Algren
    January 6, 2010

    I almost got physically sick this morning when I watched these videos. Thanks for putting them together and staying on this story.

  23. Bill
    January 6, 2010

    All I can say is that heterosexuals should be thankful that LGTB citizens are a peaceful, gentle people.

    Because they have no right to expect us to be for all they have done to us.

    Because if we did to heterosexuals what they do to us, there would be no one left alive.

    I often wonder what keeps LGTB citizens gentle and peaceful when we are abused so disgustingly on a daily basis. Perhaps heterosexuals could learn something from us in that regard, since they are, by and large, a very, very violent people.

    All I know is that one day, humanity will weep at what they did to their very own LGTB offspring.

    And if there truly IS a god, he already is.

  24. Tina
    January 6, 2010

    Bill~ I hear ya!

    Your last sentences reminded me of the Langston Hughes poem “I, Too, Sing America”

    I, too, sing America.

    I am the darker brother.
    They send me to eat in the kitchen
    When company comes,
    But I laugh,
    And eat well,
    And grow strong.

    Tomorrow,
    I’ll be at the table
    When company comes.
    Nobody’ll dare
    Say to me,
    “Eat in the kitchen,”
    Then.

    Besides,
    They’ll see how beautiful I am
    And be ashamed–

    I, too, am America.

  25. Heartland
    January 7, 2010

    Extremely important work. Serious props to BTB.

  26. Heartland
    January 7, 2010

    PS: So, is Peter LaBarbera down with this guy?

  27. CPL
    January 7, 2010

    One relatively minor complaint: I wish you would create these videos with no music. The music is, to put it plainly, manipulative. It makes the videos more like TV commercials than dead-serious information. Lively’s words are disturbing in their own right and should speak for themselves.

  28. anteros
    January 7, 2010

    I think it comes down to personal preference. I didnt click on the links to the longer/unedited versions, did they also have music? If BTB’s versions of these videos weren’t edited, no music, just Lively live and raw… I dont think many of us would get through the first minute of any of those videos. These videos need to be watched by as many people as possible. While I can’t stand the way tele-evangelists use soppy piano and violin music to soften up their audiences, especially when asking viewers to generously sow partnerships/gifts/seeds… this is different. The music and comments give these video clips a more palatable documentary feel. Great job BTB!

  29. Evan Hurst
    January 7, 2010

    I think it’s good that the compilation videos were done the way they are.

    Not everybody has the stomach for wading through the unedited crazy.

  30. Rich
    January 9, 2010

    TampaZeke I couldn’t agree more that “In this country, it’s the “kinder, gentler” bigot that we should be most fearful of.” However Lively seems to have found the perfect audience for himself in Uganda and from what I’ve heard in parts of Russia too.

    Thanks Box Turtle Bulletin for wading through the muck and filth of such anti-gay bigots to help keep us informed. Everyone needs to hear what these anti-gay activists believe in their own words.

  31. Rich
    January 9, 2010

    I do believe its very important for people to hear what people like Livey have to say since it exposes them for what they are. Its speeches like the one he gave in Uganda that I believe our Canadian hate speech laws were designed to attack, speeches like that have real world consequences and he is definitely inciting violence against LGBT folk. I’m a little conflicted on the whole hate speech issue since I believe in zero censorship and free speech however genocides start with words not violence, it takes speech to make people believe that others are sub-human and a threat to society that must be eliminated. Its a fine line to draw but I think Livey’s speech steps over the line in the context of Uganda at least.

  32. Josh Thomas
    January 10, 2010

    I’m very impressed by your latest work concerning Scott Lively in Uganda, and have posted your first, “most important” video on my Episcopal Church prayer site.

    Homophobes have tried to steal our members, parishes and whole dioceses in favor of Gay-hating Anglicans in Uganda, Kenya, Nigeria and the United States, but we are resisting them. We have one openly-Gay bishop (New Hampshire) and have just elected our first Lesbian bishop as assistant in Los Angeles.

    Doubtless I’ll get a few angry e-mails because of your video, but I have one reply: STFU.

    Please accept my congratulations for providing proof of a murderous conspiracy among so-called Christians. And may Jesus have the last laugh. God loves us; that’s why we’re so gentle, smart and kind.

    Just like you. Again, congrats on a very important scoop.

  33. Brad
    January 12, 2010

    Scott Lively (Scott Deadly?) is a very disturbed person. Anyone “protesting” so loudly is indeed trying to camouflage some very “dark” secrets. The real tragedy is the severe harm he is promulgating onto people who have not harmed him.

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