“Homosexuals Have Never Faced Persecution”

Jim Burroway

July 15th, 2010

As Timothy already noted, James Preece, writing as an administrator at the National Organization for Marriage’s official wacked-out facebook page that they totally, totally denywrote this:

Protect Marriage: One Man, One Woman I’m not making a retraction: Through out history homosexuals have never faced persecution at the level Jews, Christians, and Blacks have. For the homosexual population, their only focus is WWII.

Ahem:

April 19, 2009 edition of Uganda's Red Pepper (Scans via GayUganda. Names and faces obscured by Box Turtle Bulletin. Click to enlarge).

And by the way, that was just one episode of a long campaign that was encouraged by American Evangelical “Christians.”

Ray

July 15th, 2010

“Ahem” indeed. What are we, 0 for 40 in fighting marriage bans?

Remember all the Jewish nightclubs getting raided to cut down on “loitering”?

Recall all the laws that prohibited consenting Jewish adults from having sex? The court finally threw them out.

Tony

July 15th, 2010

They tell themselves whatever they need to in order to justify their hatred. And it IS hatred. Saying it’s your “religious belief” is just a cop-out.

johnathan

July 15th, 2010

Tony, although “Saying it’s your ‘religious belief’ is just a cop-out” for now, it may become a legally justifiable one in Texas if the Texas Republicans have their way.

Ben in Oakland

July 15th, 2010

Let’s start a list:

The boys that were executed in Iran.

The men with their anuses glued shut in Iraq.

The Ugandan campaign.

Sodomy laws in America.

McCarthy’s withc hunts.

DADT

The reason why gay people are included in hate crimes laws.

Matthew shepherd.

That boy in Maine that was thrown off a bridge.

Lawrence King.

The black kids hwose name I can’t remember.

The prop.8 campaign, calling us a threat to marirage, family,. children, freedom, and god.

Your turn.

Jessica

July 15th, 2010

I see what Preece and his fellow Kool-aiders post everyday. It is beyond hateful. It scares me that these people are raising children to be this way. He went as far to accuse someone of being a pedophile, and posted his picture with the alert next to it on an Anti-Gay marriage site. They say kids should be kept away from not just Gays, but people who believe Gays should have rights. The things they say are awful and disgusting. They do not follow the Bible or God’s word at all.

Christine

July 15th, 2010

I have also seen these “Christians” and their remarks. They want Gays to be banished to islands, and to stay out of stores, and parks. They don’t want their children exposed to a Gay man holding hands with another Gay man (GASP) Mr. Preece claims he lives without sin, and that no one is able to “comprehend” the Bible like he does. He is a scary, egotistical man who leads these people like Jim Jones. They are the first to cast stones, even to those who believe as they do.

Sherri M.

July 15th, 2010

Um, where do they think we get the Pink Triangle from? Gays were persecuted in concentration camps and killed along with the Jews under Hitler’s rule. They obviously have not read their history books!

Tony

July 15th, 2010

@Christine

I’m not trying to offend you so I’m sorry if it comes off that way. Using the word “Christians” as if they aren’t *really* Christian is not ok. They actually ARE Christian. That’s why they are following the bible. Instead of saying they are “doing it wrong,” I would much rather people would see how ridiculous the entire religion is and drop it altogether.

sdf

July 15th, 2010

Oscar Wilde

Alan Turing

Alexandra

July 15th, 2010

@Tony: Actually, they are *not* Christian. Christ never once spoke out against homosexuality, and it can be argued that he actually supported it. Plus, Christ taught peace, acceptence, love for everyone (including your enemies), and equality. Does that sound like these “Christians” who wave their “God hates fags!” posters everywhere? Christ was a radical, and openly defied the “church” and the leaders of the doctrine. Being a “Christian” is supposed to mean those who follow the teachings and messages of the one called “Jesus Christ”. These people are usually following an outdated “holiness code” (Leviticus), or other “teachers” (such as Paul), and not Christ. Besides, this is of course is all based on the assumption that the bible is infallible and inerrant, which it is FAR from. These heretics are nothing more than blowhards who are too full of themselves and what they *think* they know to be right. Most people have never honestly looked into the bible to see what it means, they just sprew out verses verbatim and pretend they understand. And that is precisely how so much hatred, bloodshed, tears, anger, and deaths have been caused, spanning just over the 1500 years.

Bailea

July 15th, 2010

@Tony..These so called Christians you go on about..use religion as a mask for their hatred…they are NOT christians…I am a Christian and Proud and I am also 100% Lesbian and damn proud…

The 10 commandments are the so called rules of life and not 1 states about homosexuality being wrong.

Also God created man in his own image – therefore God is gay/straight/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered/black/white/muslim/christian etc..

” Do unto others as you want done unto you” A phrase from the bible…So all these people “hating” Gay/Lesbians/Blacks etc are inviting hatred onto themselves…

The term homosexual in the bible is on the pages talking about incest, NOT same sex relations but sexual relations with family!!

God doesn’t like haters…God created us all, and only 1 person apart from me has the right to judge me and that is God himself :)

Miranda

July 15th, 2010

@Tony

I’m a lesbian as well, but am not a Christian-I’m actually a Traditionalist Pagan. However, I was raised in the church and was never “jaded” by them, so I never say anything out of hatred.

1. Christianity, as the other people have stated, is not based on the teachings of the Old Testament. As a matter of fact, if you follow the Old Testament only, that basically makes you Jewish.
2. Christ has said “The only way to God is through me”.
3. James 3:9-12 basically says: “How can a man praise God with the same tongue as he curses men? This is not right.”
4. To be a CHRIST-IAN means to be CHRIST LIKE. Going to church and reading the bible does NOT make you a Christian. Love, honor, and respect make you Christ Like.

Jason Banks

July 15th, 2010

I can’t believe a newspaper would actual consent to printing this, though I do understand that there laws are different. Still, the people who work for this newspaper are not true journalists at all and should never refer to themselves as such. A part of a journalist’s job is to sift through all the dribble to find the truth. Not resort to becoming a part of a mind-numbing campaign that has no factual merit. See, this is what happens when a country doesn’t have a free press. As a journalist myself, I am appalled and rendered speechless by all this.

John

July 15th, 2010

I’ve never seen any gay blog mention the Colombian social cleansing in the 90’s. Several thousands of gay and transgendered people were killed in only a few years. And it happened AFTER homosexuality was legalized in Colombia.

anteros

July 15th, 2010

I aree with Tony.

“love the sinner hate the sin”

“god created adam and eve, not adam and steve”

the origin and purpose of the word “sodomy”

“homosexuals are an abomination in the eyes of god”

“god hates fags”

let’s call a spade a spade…

christians are responsible for a huge chunk of religiously motivated and justified hate towards homosexuals… regardless of whichever denominations or brands of christianity may question each others legitimacy or doctrines. they are christians, they speak ill of us all the time, and they do so as christians claiming their god-given authority to campaign and speak out against whatever they believe is sin …i can think of many other christian euphemisms for “judge” and “condemn”…which actually translate into hell on earth for us – from excommunication to the death penalty… from bible based sermons that teach inequality to the denial of civil rights (marriage).

if fake christians are fully responsible and real christians are totally innocent… that distinction doesnt improve my life and it definately doesnt induce warm fuzzy feelings towards christians and whatever brand of christianity they follow… it doesnt fix any of the messes in my life created by christians, their churches and their bibles.

Regan DuCasse

July 15th, 2010

I can’t believe how stupid and ignorant these people are of RECENT history and it’s context with regard to systemic bigotry.

But they aren’t making much sense either. All kinds of dominant cultures have thought at some point they’d be better off with the aforementioned minorities…and women for that matter.

And these folks really think the world would be a better place if all the gay people disappeared in the morning?
I think it’s pretty safe to say that the welfare state, gang terrorism, poverty and domestic violence, child abuse and abandonment and divorce have ALL gone on WITHOUT much help and inclusion of the gay community.
After all, gay folks don’t get to play in that sand box.

Why are they on tour? Don’t any of these people ALREADY know that marriage is between a man and a woman?
Do they think no one will know unless there are signs everywhere and a big bus to show them?

What I want to know is, what KIND of man and woman are we talking about?

Tony

July 15th, 2010

I’m sorry you guys but you are completely ignoring what the BIBLE says. I’m not talking about “Jesus”. I’m talking about the base book for the Christian faith. You can say whatever you want to try and justify your own belief, but the facts are the facts. These people ARE Christians. They are just ignoring different parts of the Bible than you are.

Timothy Kincaid

July 15th, 2010

Tony,

Should you happen to read ancient Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic and have done comparitive studies of the fragment variations and have a solid foundation in both 1st Century Roman and outpost culture along with anthropological expertise in Bronze Age palestinian comparative religions, then please do share with us “what the bible says”. If you are a master of hermeneutics and student of both orthodoxy and heresy, a master of the logic and politics behind why Innocent’s canon prevailed over, say, Marcion’s, then please, by all means, elucidate us about “what the bible says.”

But otherwise all you have is opinion. And while you are free to believe whatever you like, kindly refrain from sharing your (uninformed, undeveloped, and baseless) certainty about “what the bible says.”

Tony

July 16th, 2010

Timothy,
Wow, I’m very surprised at that comment, and I will be unsubscribing from your RSS feed. I didn’t know you were a delusional hack. It doesn’t matter what “hebrew” says. Or what the bible is “supposed” to say. It matters what it actually says and what the majority of people who blindly believe it believe. Nice try though, trying to make me look “stupid” to discredit me. Religion has absolutely no use in modern society. I’m sorry if you were brain washed by your parents, but it’s time to grow the hell up and face the facts.

Tony

July 16th, 2010

Please, use your wonderful translation skills and show all of us what the bible is “supposed” to say. Show us how fairy tails for grown-ups can be justified. I’m really interested in what you have to say.

Apax

July 16th, 2010

‘Their only focus is WWII’? What planet are these people living on? Most people don’t even seem to be aware that the Nazis targeted homosexual men and woman during WWII, and it certainly doesn’t come up in gay rights discussions nearly as often as contemporary issues like marriage equality or the plight of gay people in countries like Iran.

If you’re going to be an anti-gay jackass, at least get your facts straight.

Lynn David

July 16th, 2010

Add growing up Catholic in a small town in the ’60s to the list. Yes, we may not have been generally oppressed on the scale of certain ethnic groups but the oppression we have experienced is often more insidiously personal because it has occurred among our families, friends, and the belief systems into which we were born.

ondamaris

July 16th, 2010

ah well, and because homosexuals “never have faced persecution”, even the german government had a memorial built for those homosexuals persecuted during nazi terror in germany …
http://www.ondamaris.de/?p=19493

Richard Rush

July 16th, 2010

I agree with Tony (and anteros).

Fabula Mirabilis

July 16th, 2010

Meh. 70% of the people at “Protect Marriage” believe the world was created in six days.

…The other 30% are just there to argue with the fundies.

Timothy Kincaid

July 16th, 2010

Tony,

I know that you really really want to think that you know what the bible says and that, conveniently, it says all the horrible fairy tale stuff that you want it to say so that you have a good excuse to hate it.

But I’ll make you a deal: No one here will try to convert you to any religion and you will stop trying to convert others here to atheism. It’s rude, boorish behavior.

Priya Lynn

July 16th, 2010

You can only speak for yourself Timothy – there are certainly some christians here who are going to try to convert atheists to their religion.

Tony

July 16th, 2010

Who said I was an atheist? Being irreligious doesn’t make you an atheist. It just means that you can see a religion for what it is: a fairy tale. I’m still not seeing you use your translation skills to refute what I’m saying. I’m actually quite informed on Bible verses, and whether the translation to English is right or not is irrelevant. People will still read it and believe it, and that’s what matters.

Timothy Kincaid

July 16th, 2010

Tony,

You are being rude and boorish.

Tony

July 16th, 2010

I LOVE it. You say I’m being “rude” instead of defending your beliefs. Typical religious behavior. I meant what I said. Between you and Andy Towle, I don’t know who’s worse.

Jim Burroway

July 16th, 2010

Pria,

You can only speak for yourself Timothy – there are certainly some christians here who are going to try to convert atheists to their religion.

What I believe Timothy was getting to was that the efforts at conversion are not going to take place in this forum. Certainly, elsewhere. But not here. And vice versa.

Tony,

You are being borish and rude. And that’s coming from me, who is not Christian or religious.

Please review our comments policy. This site is not a forum for discussing the merits or demerits of particular faiths, faith or the lack thereof. We do however critique those who work against LGBT equality (and even safety), and when they use their faith as an excuse, we certainly call them out on it. But we aren’t here to persuade or dissuade people from or toward faith or any particular faith. Those topics are off-topic.

So yes, you are being rude. Persistent rudeness will result in moderation.

Richard Rush

July 16th, 2010

Jim, I think you meant to say, “This site is not a forum for discussing the merits or demerits of particular faiths, faith or the lack thereof.”

Jim Burroway

July 16th, 2010

Thanks for catching the typo.

Steven B

July 17th, 2010

Don’t forget about the lobotomies and other efforts to “cure” gay people.

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