Words of wisdom from NOM’s Facebook followers

Timothy Kincaid

July 22nd, 2010

Perhaps I’m being too harsh on the National Organization for Marriage. Perhaps they do have something of value to teach me.

So I’ve turned to NOM’s Facebook page to see what TRUTHs NOM’s followers can share with me (remember to always capitalize TRUTH, it makes it truthier). And I have to admit that I’ve found some pretty amazing things:

The NOM Diet:

Susan Long: Those of us who are trying to follow the Bible as Gods word are being forced to throw up everytime something like homosexuailty comes up.

NOM’s solution for jail overcrowding

Susan Long: This is so true. This is act of disobedience is no difference than murder,abortion and we could go on forever. Speaking of aborttion I think all those who are in prison for murder should be let out. Abortion is no different than blowing someones brains out or beat6ing them to death. God will get enough of us as I believe he has and we better look for the ramifications to soon come.

NOM’s approach to creative writing

Kayla Hatcher: Stuipd Gays…

NOM’s civics lesson

Thomas Shank: That’s right Laura! We should gently judge their lives. I mean kindly tell them it’s wrong. Jam 2:3
This is a Christian nation

NOM’s approach to logic

Richard Lutz: It is hard talking with many people because it’s easier for them to justify their sin than it is to change, and they’ll fight anyone who exposes their darkness to the light. As born-again believers… we need to remember that our ultimate goal should not be to win arguments… but to win souls.

Donna Billman: The Bible and God’s word are the only logic necessary, He created us and set the rules in place and His rules for how we should live are to protect us and to honor Him.

NOM on what gay people are like

Nick Jones: Why is it that some homosexuals (like the post that was just deleted) continually want to look like the opposite sex. Homosexual men want to look like women in appearance and mannerisms and the women want to throw on this fake masculinity. Is this an imitation of cheap heterosexuality?

Jeanette Gartman: The reason is because they are lost. They are confused about the gender roles. And society does not do the Truth any favors. neither does the media, nor the school, nor even parents!

Tanya Beckel Redfield: Because as a generalization, many homosexuals tend to work in up scale jobs… less blue collar. So as a business, it would make sense to support a group that has more money to spend..

Jaime Thissen: There’s a lot of gay people who are just plain angry. I guess it’s because they can never as fulfilling of a relationship as a committed straight couple. It would certainly explain all the hate from them on the discussion board….between that and the successful indoctrination of the Class of 2011 (laughs).

Tony Johnson: I personally think that the gay/lesbian community has became what they supposedly hate-a community of intolerant bigots who are totally self-centered !!

Carol Toth: That’s why it’s easier for them to claim the BIBLE IS OUTDATED THAN TO FACE THE HELL THEIR CONDEMING THEMSELVES TOO BY THEIR UNNATURAL ACTS.

NOM on the gay agenda

Bryan Hanny: It has never been about equal rights, which they already have provided as all people under the constitution do. Its about special rights and about legitimizing thier dangerous lifestyle.

Kimberly Schueler: This is Satan @ work, guys!!!

Noah Windscheffel: My brothers and sisters in Christ: I want you all to remember that it is not a battle between gays and those who aren’t. It is a battle between the followers of Christ, and Satan and his demons. The battle isn’t about homosexuality. It is about sin. But we must continue to speak the truth in love. Remember this: They will hate us, because they first hated Christ. But we must continue to love in a Christ-like way and pray for the ones who haven’t come to Jesus yet. It is a spiritual battle, not a physical one. May you always follow Jesus.

Moira Murphy O Mahoney: will there come a day when being “straight” is outlawed….and all reproduction done in labs etc.etc…make a good movie. no…too sad. (too farfetched I hope)

Cindy Dalton: That’s right, Tara. The Gay Man-Boy Love Association, a group of pedophiles, is already lobbying here in Virginia to legalize sex between a consenting man and a male child. What does “consenting” mean exactly? These professional criminals know how to groom children into allowing them to molest them.

NOM on what should be done to gay people

Stephanie Zembery-Darrah: Unless you are evil and have no morals and values you have no rights in this country anymore, it is time we take our country back. This country was founded on Christian beliefs, if they don’t like it THEY can leave, we don’t want the pollution here anymore! ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN that is the way it is meant to be. Be fruitful and multiply…how can you do that any other way???????? It just isn’t even natural any other way.

Charles Smith: all the carpet rubbers and stool pushers need to be on an island. so in a hundred years they will be extinct. lmao.

Nelson Eaton: Well, Everyone has rights except hard working strait american people so,When they stormed the podium and started threatening children.The best way to handle a pervert is to stomp the crap out of them.

NOM on differing viewpoints:

 
 
 

Well… there just don’t seem to be many people who disagree with NOM’s agenda. It can be quite odd reading the threads because NOMbies often reference comments and people who have magically disappeared. Odd.

And finally, NOM on how anti-gays see themselves:

From dozens of NOMbies: Love the sinner, hate the sin.

L. Junius Brutus

July 22nd, 2010

“Remember this: They will hate us”

We don’t hate you, we laugh at you. The Emperor Vespasian, when asked why he didn’t kill his critics, answered: “I don’t kill dogs that bark at me.” Words of wisdom. I don’t hate dogs for barking at me, either.

“The best way to handle a pervert is to stomp the crap out of them.”

Heh, I’d like to see this creep try. Funny how any non-crazy response is deleted by Mr. Marinelli, but exhortations to violence by creeps are perfectly OK.

Leo

July 22nd, 2010

It’s good to see the motivations of NOM’s members laid bare. Maggie and Brian have usually been careful to parse their words and avoid explicitly biblical arguments, siting hackneyed social science or couching everything in terms of first amendment rights.

It’s seems the facade is starting to crumble along with the conceit that their mission has anything to do with making any family anywhere healthier or stronger.

L. Junius Brutus

July 22nd, 2010

Another gem, for your amusement (I’ve shortened it to the relevant portion):

Tara J Later: “On top of that… soon polygamists will say they are being discriminated against, then underage children will want to get married to someone twice their age… if they can’t, then they’re going to cry discrimination…”

Underage children are just dying to get married to old pedophiles. I guess there is something to the assertion of pedophiles who say that little kids seduce them, after all. Welcome to the world of NOMbies.

Jaime

July 22nd, 2010

Did you notice the links posted last night from a Shelah Bumgarner Wik to sites called Christian Citizens and America Betrayed? They basically advocate for the US to become a theocracy under Mosaic law.

Regan DuCasse

July 22nd, 2010

Cindy Dalton is a liar. I really wish these people would do their homework and consult the CMEC, and the police departments regarding the abuse of children.

Our vice information here in Los Angeles, cites THOUSANDS of online sites that promote the abuse of girls.
But as we can all see, the priest scandals have left females out of the conversation, even though SNAP a support and advocate group for victims of priests is about 50/50 male to female.
Have a conversation about gay people and NAMBLA keeps coming up as if it’s something gay people protect or support.
While all the other criminal acts against children is ignored and the WHOLE of heterosexuals aren’t implemented for it.

I’m disgusted, as you all should know well, by this gender/orientation bias when it comes to CRIMINAL matters.
All these people do is incite more violence and criminal court and expensive jail time if a bashing happens.
In other words, these people are a LIABILITY and don’t care if they are.

The irresponsible STUPIDITY is unforgivable because no matter what I say, they ignore little ol me, and go on and on anyway with this kind of extreme.

Someone like me and my fellows in law enforcement shouldn’t be confronted with this kind of impossible behavior by the NOM mau maus.
They are more dangerous than who they point their fingers at.

AMPGlass

July 22nd, 2010

Those comments are the kinds that make me want to hit people…

And that little thing about “Winning souls, not arguments,” do you suppose they have realised that they do not, in fact, have the capability of winning an argument?

David

July 22nd, 2010

I’m about to make myself very unpopular. But here goes.

You know, I like you, Box Turtle Bulletin. I really do. Throughout your history you’ve been a source of real reporting and even investigative work on GLBT issues in a sea of redundant and often angry GLBT blogs. It’s why I’ve kept on reading, and reading gladly.

But. But, but, but, but.

But recently you’ve gone in some weird new direction that is giving me pause. I think with this post we are now in that same warped realm of imagined reporting where Keith Olbermann fights his one-sided duels with Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. And Timothy, it’s mostly been you making these posts, but Jim, you’re the editor.

May I offer a few pieces of evidence that we are in some strange realm of non-reporting and even non-commentary:

(a) In this post about Louis Marinelli’s blog post referencing BTB, both Timothy and Jim made clear that the ‘GLBT community’ was really a diverse set of people with different ideas who NOM should not confuse as being a unified block. And yet in this very post the exact behavior that only yesterday was condemned is on display: Timothy is treating the views and screeds of commentators as representative of NOM, and implying that this is how that monolithic block thinks.

I get that NOM edits and screens their Facebook page with more ardour than BTB and they allowed these posts to stay, but that point was not made explicit here nor was there an attempt to relate these views to NOM’s official stance or even as a percentage of their membership’s views. No, instead what we get is a rather lazy clipping of the most rancorous commentary, as we were treated to only three days ago. Once can be amusing or eye-opening, but twice in three days and now you’re harping.

(b) The sheer volume of posts on NOM’s monumentally unsuccessful summer for marriage. Over the past six days, 15 out of 39 posts (if I counted correctly) were about this topic. That’s 38%. For a trip that has so far gathered tiny numbers at its rallies (as has been pointed out over and over again in these posts), that is an enormous amount of electronic ink (or as it really is: RSS feed entries) spilled on a politically insignificant subject.

(c) The unprofessionalism of the posts. I’ve enjoyed this blog for precisely the opposite – carefully researched information and well-thought-through opinions. Contrast that with posts like this one (a smattering of copied-over Facebook comments), the posts here, here, and here focused on numbers-counting; this snide comment about an empty rally which upon reading the commentary was actually taken before the rally (what’s the point of this other than pettiness?); the repeated epithet “NOM’s big bug of animus” and now we get “NOMbies”…

I could go on, but why bother? These sounds more like playground taunts than either reporting or commentary, and it does not suit you well. Sometimes BTB gets on one issue and stays there; I can understand that. I thought it a bit strange to see the blog turned into, basically, a gay Uganda info source for a while, but on reflection I understood that no one else was doing this sort of reporting and BTB stepped in and filled that void (in a big way). It’s safe to say that many others who reported on the Uganda bill started with BTB’s excellent compindium of articles. For myself, it took some adjusting to, but I think it was commendable.

All that is to say: Box Turtle, please raise your standards for these posts. I don’t want to see this blog go the way of many other gay blogs which, rather than doing any sort of reporting on gay issues opts instead for screeds, taunts, and a manufactured sense of outrage. I know that you’re better than this.

Ray

July 22nd, 2010

@Dave

Timothy is treating the views and screeds of commentators as representative of NOM, and implying that this is how that monolithic block thinks.
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And, of course, he is correct to do so. If NOM’s message is so rational, how do they explain their own fans’ understanding of it? What BTB does that is beneficial is to show the contrast between what NOM says and how NOMbies understand it. You could never tell these people ever read a NOM press release by the way they interpret NOM’s message. BTB **clearly** demonstrates that disconnect. And who could blame them for that disconnect when NOMs message can’t withstand even the most basic examination of rationality?

Thanks for playing, Dave.

Timothy Kincaid

July 22nd, 2010

David,

I’m not finding much diversity of opinion on NOM’s facebook page. While I selected the items most representative of bad behavior, it really is pretty much consistent with what I listed. Go give it a look-see.

As for the rest… well, it’s summer, it’s hot, and it’s been a kinda slow news period. I guess we bloggers also fall victim to the Silly Season.

Bruce Garrett

July 22nd, 2010

a) I suppose there might indeed be a diversity of opinions in the NOM camp, bid you notice Timothy’s remark about how a lot of those comments seem to be directed at other comments that have…er…vanished? To my knowledge the only time comments vanish here is when people are abusive, not when they disagree. If it looks like they are all marching in lock-step over there, there’s a reason for that. Enforcing conformity is a rather unsurprising part of that culture, isn’t it?

b) NOM’s road show is worth following, precisely to see how much public support it’s getting, and how well organized (or not, they seem to be). And NOM’s Facebook page sure seems to be a great way to see the mindset in action. It is well worth paying attention not only to the commenters, but to how the site is moderated. That this is the Face NOM thinks is presentable is telling us something.

c) This isn’t the New England Journal Of Medicine. It’s a blog. Unprofessional compared to what? Big Government?

homer

July 22nd, 2010

I traded emails with Susan Long. She basically told me she hated me because I am gay. In contrast, I was civil to her.

Elliot

July 23rd, 2010

“The Gay Man-Boy Love Association”?

Surely they mean the “NATIONAL Man-Boy Love Association”, right? I’m not aware that there’s any such group as the GAMBLA.

Though that does sound like a terrible rap name.

Marlene

July 23rd, 2010

I love the nom du guerre “NOMbies”! Someone on the Prop 8 Trial Tracker came up with a goodie just as equal: NOMosexuals!

Richard Rush

July 23rd, 2010

I realize I may be looking for it, but when I see video clips of Brian Brown, I smell a homo in hiding. If he is, does that make him a NOMosexual? (thank you, Marlene)

I just don’t think that psychologically healthy heterosexual males gravitate to employment where obsession with homosexuals is the dominant element in the job description.

Ben in Oakland

July 23rd, 2010

Richard: a nomosexual, also known as a nomohomo, is a word I coined to describe formerly gay people who are now no longer gay, but celibate. In other words, they are not gay, but their attractions can frequently be found down on their knees in the mensoom at the kwikimart.

A faux-mo-sexual is a clone of alan chambers.

A tro-mo-sexual is a former heterosexual who is now homosexual.

And finally, we have a quo-mo-sexual, named after a justly famous commentator on these very pages, which is a gay person who really isn’t gay because it’s simply a choice, but actually is gay becuase he never seems to get around to not being gay.

But he still gets a lot of mileage–and drama– out of it.

unnerstand now?

Timothy Kincaid

July 23rd, 2010

I have to admit that I find myself fascinated by the things these people believe. This conversation just went on:

Daniela Elizabeta Santa Cruz: Also, if they choose to be gay, then why do a lot of them dress up as the opposite gender? Lesbians dressing as men and gays dressing as women. What is going on there!

Nick Jones: I think it is to be more appealing for their gay partner. In order for them to stay with them it seems that they have to do this.

Daniela Elizabeta Santa Cruz: LOL but then doesn’t that defeat the entire purpose of being gay in the first place??? I would think if one is gay, that would mean they are gay because they are attracted to their same gender. So why would either of the gay partners want to dress as a woman when that is not the gender they like? Such a strange, dysfunctional behavior!

Nick Jones: Very strange my dear Santa Cruz!

Daniela Elizabeta Santa Cruz: LOL!!! :D Very mentally strange… but nothing that Jesus can’t fix!

I mean, seriously. This is 2010, not 1950. What planet do these people live on?

They are completely obsessed with homosexuality (especially these two) yet they know nothing at all whatsoever about gay people. It’s like children discussing the favorite food of unicorns, the “homosexuals” they are talking about exist only in their imagination.

Richard Rush

July 23rd, 2010

Oh Ben, thanks for the clarifications, but I’m still confused. If a nomohomo is celibate, “but their attractions can frequently be found down on their knees in the mensroom at the kwikimart,” wouldn’t that make them blownomohomos?

Ben in Oakland

July 23rd, 2010

That would be a blowmosexual.

A blownomosexual would be one who is constantly doing the larry craig tap dance, but ain’t gettin’ any

Priya Lynn

July 23rd, 2010

Ben said “Richard: a nomosexual, also known as a nomohomo, is a word I coined to describe formerly gay people who are now no longer gay, but celibate. In other words, they are not gay, but their attractions can frequently be found down on their knees in the mensoom at the kwikimart.”.

Et tu Ben? You have also fallen prey to repeating anti-gay talking points? You consider gay to be a behavior and not an orientation, if you’re celibate you’re no longer gay?

As far as the reporting on Uganda goes I was extremely pleased to see it. So often Americans are an insular bunch who think only the U.S. matters. It was nice to see an American blog acknowledging that there’s an important world outside of the U.S. borders.

Jon

July 23rd, 2010

I hate to tell Charles Smith this, but if you put all the gay and lesbian people in the world on one island, a couple of things would happen in a hundred years. First, that island would still be populated, because some of those g/l people would find ways to have kids, and most of those kids would be straight and would have kids of their own. Second, there would be just as many queer people off the island as there were one hundred years earlier, because almost all of us came from heterosexual parents.

I can also guarantee you that the people on the island would be happier. Because they would have grown up in a society based on freedom and mutual respect.

Jonathan

July 23rd, 2010

I used to post on NOM’s site. Until James Preece took over as admin – all opposing views to NOM’s cavalcade of spiteful comments were not only deleted but banned.

Many of Nom’s commenters are unbalanced Jesus freaks. Some are not, but very few. I’m sure the reasonable ones, even though NOM supporters were probaly banned also. They tolerate no dissent.

Ben in Oakland

July 23rd, 2010

Priya– I have never said this to you before, but I will now.

Lighten up!

It’s satire. word play. puns.

Priya Lynn

July 23rd, 2010

I’m aware of what your intention was Ben.

Richard Rush

July 23rd, 2010

Thanks, Ben. I think I finally got it. LOL

Ben in Oakland

July 23rd, 2010

good. I was worried there for a moment. :)

I think BTB ought to sponsor osme sort of parody contest.

Ben in Oakland

July 23rd, 2010

when i was 6 years old, I had a crush on perry como. I loved his voice, and he was just so handsome. Plus, he wore sweaters. My mother wouldn’t buy me a sweater.

So, i guess that made me a comosexual.

Your turn.

Ben in Oakland

July 23rd, 2010

which reminds me of an old joke.

“My mother made me a homosexual.”

If I gave her the yran, would she make me one, too?

Ben in Oakland

July 23rd, 2010

aaaaaaaaacccccccccccccck!

Yarn.

Richard Rush

July 23rd, 2010

Ben said, “Your turn.”

If a same-sex attracted guy is celibate, but still masturbates to hot man-sex fantasies, would he then self-identify as a jomosexual? But if he also abstains from masturbation, would he then be known as a nomojomosexual?

Ben in Oakland

July 23rd, 2010

only if he couldn’t get it up.

Pender

July 23rd, 2010

Just got a funny idea: what if someone took screenshots of everyone’s comments in that NOM forum, looked through the public information in those people’s facebook pages, and mailed printed copies to their employers? If the employer has a nondiscrimination policy that covers gay people, it might be worth including a printout for contrast.

Bigots deserve to be ostracized when they climb on a soap box and shout unsolicited hate speech in public.

Rebecca

July 23rd, 2010

They kick you out very quickly. I was a “fan” of this page for exactly two hours before I got banned from commenting. I was being very polite, just asking them to explain their position. I can still see their posts, but I can’t comment. It made my head spin how fast it happened actually. LOL.

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