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The Peter’s wackadoodle school exposed

Timothy Kincaid

August 11th, 2010

Last weekend Peter LaBarbera and a host of wackadoodle anti-gay activists held a three day seminar to teach young recruits how to demean, disparage, and fraudulently portray gay people. Hemant Mehta, the Friendly Atheist, sent in two infiltrators to report on Peter’s nonsense.

They provide some interesting information about the speakers and the audience:

Quite honestly, I found that many of these people were not “hateful” in the sense that they don’t actively wish LGBT people harm. They truly believe that if homosexuals would only live the lifestyle and hold the beliefs they themselves hold, those homosexuals would go on to live richer, more fulfilling lives. I experienced many of those attending the conference to be kind, concerned individuals.

By my count, around 45 people attended the conference on any given day. That’s including the speakers and the families of the speakers, so actual attendee numbers on any given day were lower, and some new attendees were there on Friday and Saturday. Of the people attending, a large majority were older. On the first day there were only around five people attending who looked to be under the age of 30.

Also present are synopses of the speakers’ views. For example, this is from a group session:

Barber: We should not be politically correct. It’s natural for gays to be reviled. It’s important to focus on the health risks of homosexuality, but we need to be aggressive and unapologetically loving.

Quinlan: If you Bible-thump or talk about sex, it turns pro-gays off. If you give them the science, you sound like somebody in authority and they don’t know how to respond to that.

Goldberg: We need to use the term “homosexual” instead of “gay” because it has a more negative connotation. No one is gay; they’re only “gay identified.”

Kincaid: This issue of homosexuality affects you because gays are demanding to give blood. The hemophiliacs are outraged by the homosexual lobby saying they have a right to give blood. They want to force themselves into the blood supply in a callous and arrogant manner. Mothers need to speak up. Mothers, your children are at risk!

Quinlan: The church has to be involved in politics. Politics are dirty. Our Founding Fathers were all religious men. They weren’t all just deists. They were Bible-believing men. We do have the truth and the truth is this: a family is made up of a mother and a father because it takes a mother and a father to raise a child.

Higgins: Parents need to remove their children from public schools. Even after doing that, they need to make law changes because our taxes go to the public schools. When we are silent on this issue, we teach our children through role-modeling to be cowardly conformists. We bequeath a legacy of much greater oppression to our children and our grandchildren. At least I can say to my children that I did everything I could.

Lindevaldsen: We need to work to completely eliminate public schools — government schools — and push a Christian/Biblical model of educating our children

Sorba: We need to unify behind common winning talking points. Boycott the term “gay.” They are in no way attached to any kind of identity because it’s not an identity. They’re not functioning in accord with their design. We need to repeat over and over and over again that there is no scientific evidence that people are born gay. There is no study that proves causation. Psychiatrists need to reclassify homosexuality as a mental disorder.

LaBarbera: “Born gay” evidence is unreliable. There was once a pro-gay activist yelling as loud as he could that I was a maniac who wanted to kill gay people. This shows how unstable these guys are.

Sorba: Genes code for proteins, not for behaviors. The “born gay” thing is a debate that we’re definitely going to win. Nobody’s a meat puppet dangling from the strings of the chemical reactions of their brain. It’s letting your emotions rule instead of your reason. It’s a debate about if you’re able to define reality vs. your ability to intellectually understand the reality of world around you. We should be able to argue for the re-criminalization of sodomy and overturn Lawrence v. Texas — the punishment would just be a fine. It would inhibit gay night clubs from springing up where AIDS is spread. It’ll inhibit pornography. We need to go on the offense. Then we know we’re gonna win. You’re not born gay; it’s a vice. These people need help.

Barber: The reality of ex-gays poses an enormous threat to the homosexual movement. Their entire argument hinges on the immutability of homosexuality.

LaBarbera: [Discussing LGBT protesters] They come there with their hateful signs; this is the level of fanaticism we’re dealing with. It’s just as hard to convey how radical the movement is as how bad the behavior is.

Barber: At gay pride parades, they have sex in the street in front of children.

Kincaid: Left-wing student groups are leading boycotts of blood drives, because they’re “discriminatory.” This movement is expanding. If this keeps getting bigger and bigger, we are going to face a shortage of blood. It’s extortion. I remember when AIDS happened. I remember covering this. You have to be older to understand what was happening at this time. I really don’t think a lot of the young people today remember the panic and catastrophe that enveloped the nation because of AIDS. They don’t understand how it developed. They don’t understand the devastation. We need to educate the young people about this disease as well as new-and-potentially-just-as-deadly diseases that may not be being detected currently through blood tests. It’s not a matter of discrimination. It’s a matter of life.

Sorba: Of course romantic attraction can happen between any two people, but the question is whether it adheres with the “Good.” A thing is Good insofar as it helps actualize the potential for humanity. Man is a rational animal. His final end is to know God and truth; truth means correlation with reality. Absent truth, what’s the point? Absent correspondence with reality, what are we doing here, dreaming? If Eros is the thing by which you define the Good, a man leaves his wife and kids in the name of “love.” Love is not the supreme decision maker for us. The Good is.

Go check out the multi-page report. It is well worth reading



Jason D
August 11th, 2010 | LINK

Quite honestly, I found that many of these people were not “hateful” in the sense that they don’t actively wish LGBT people harm. They truly believe that if homosexuals would only live the lifestyle and hold the beliefs they themselves hold, those homosexuals would go on to live richer, more fulfilling lives.

So they’re not hateful so much as their arrogant ego-centric busybodies?

I can’t fathom the kind of person who thinks their own life should be a roadmap for everyone else’s.

And for the record, I don’t think my life could get any more richer or fullfilling.

August 11th, 2010 | LINK

we need to be aggressive and unapologetically loving.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Bruno Kravitz
August 11th, 2010 | LINK

It is long past time we start referring to this reactionary, unAmerican movement in terms middle America can understand. The people involved in them comprise the American Taliban. Training centers, such as the one mentioned here, are madrasas in which the American Taliban’s mujahideen are trained. Their ultimate goal is clear: To completely undermine the US Constitution and impose a fundamentalist theocratic state upon us all.

August 11th, 2010 | LINK

Junk. Science. All of it. Irrational conclusions, outright lies, bias and personal animus at gays.

And they’re losing the war, and they know it.

Mark F.
August 11th, 2010 | LINK

Well, let’s see. Mutual masturbation between two men has next to zero health risks. So I guess that is okay.

Also, lesbians are virtually absent from STD statistics. So that girl on girl action must also be okay, right?

August 11th, 2010 | LINK

RYAN SORBA: “These people need help.”

After reading and making an honest effort to comprehend the ridiculous crap coming out of Sorba’s mouth, it is clear to me that HE is the one who needs help.

“A thing is Good insofar as it helps actualize the potential for humanity.”

Ok. This is starting to make me laugh.

August 12th, 2010 | LINK

@ Bruno Kravitz:

I agree completely!

August 12th, 2010 | LINK

I love Ryan Sorba’s logic (and his gayface, but that’s an aside). If we criminalize sex, pornography would go down. But, honey, if sex is now illegal, I, for one, would turn to pornography even more than I do now!

August 12th, 2010 | LINK

I read in USA Today this week that Liberty University’s Law School received full accreditation. Now, Rena Lindevaldsen is a faculty member at Liberty University in their law school (as is Matt Barber and Mat Staver):

Lindevaldsen: “We need to work to completely eliminate public schools — government schools — and push a Christian/Biblical model of educating our children.”

How is it that these faculty, who advocate discriminating based on religion and sexual orientation, are given a free pass by the American Bar Association? How is it that their law school can be accredited when it violates ABA non-discrimination policies?

If it is ever found that these people knowingly participated in Lisa Miller’s kidnapping and flight from justice, the law school should be discredited and the individual faculty members disbarred.

I wonder if the ABA’s LGBT caucus is aware of the extent of their participation in anti-gay politics.

Jason D
August 12th, 2010 | LINK

Christine, it depends on who is doing the accredidation. Is it the ABA that accredits law schools, or some other body, or the same body that accredits other types of schools?

Bruce Garrett
August 12th, 2010 | LINK

Genes code for proteins, not for behaviors…

There are no instinctive behaviors in the animal kingdom. Well. This would be news to a lot of Zoologists.

Soon now, where I work, our parking deck’s annual visitors, three separate as I count them flocks of Barn Swallows will at some unknown signal begin a mass exodus to their winter nesting grounds somewhere, so I’m told, in South America. The little dickens are not genetically programmed to do this. Probably, they all saw the same Travelocity ad and got a good deal on a parking deck somewhere in São Paulo

John Doucette
August 12th, 2010 | LINK

Seems to me that what these people really want is a theocracy, pretty much like what Iran has. Of course, they would be the new Christian Imans.

August 12th, 2010 | LINK

Oh, they’d love to have a parallel society with a shadow government. And they’d work to use that to replace the real thing.

I read a right wing blog two days ago that quoted melancholy pagan observations of the decline of paganism toward the end of the Roman Empire. That’s what is going on with the current flavor of socially (and otherwise) reactionary Christianity. And they know it.

So, efforts and fervor must be redoubled. It’s will to power in its final, naked, ugliness.

August 13th, 2010 | LINK

Why was I never sent to my training camp? When I think of the merit badges I could have earned…

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