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LaBarbera and Harvey: Glee is Guilty of “Demonic Manipulation”

Jim Burroway

April 20th, 2011

Linda Harvey

Linda Harvey appeared in Peter “Porno Pete” LaBarbera’s radio program recently to bemoan anti-bullying measures in public schools because, you know, bullying is a Christian right. On LaBarbara’s radio show, Harvey called on parents to remove their children from public schools because the acceptance of LGBT youth is a part of “God’s judgment.”

LaBarbera: You’re promoting homosexuality to middle school boys. Now, if that can go on in America, without consequence, then it’s over. Then we as a country are going to go straight downhill because you’re getting to the point where you are promoting perversion to boys who should be so innocent still.

Harvey: Innocent and when you think about Scripture and you think about history, the male culture of any society is the backbone, the strength, the honor, the nobility, the future, the vitality of the society. What are we doing with our young males? It is a symptom, I think its part of God’s judgment on us that we’re doing this and that people are not ripping their kids out of these schools by the thousands daily, they should be. Because there’s no reason for people to be in these schools if you have any other choices at all, not everybody does, but I really recommend it if people have a choice, they get their kids out of these schools.

Harvey also said that gay acceptance is the result of “Demonic manipulation”:

Harvey: These people are masters at demonic manipulation; I mean I have to put it that way, because that is what the homosexual agenda directed to that age group does. Kids don’t know what they’re going to turn out to be, kids can be secretly wondering and doubting if they are homosexual without a parent ever knowing. Because of A) what they get in schools, and B) what they get on the Internet.

LaBarbera: And then Hollywood, I talked about at our conference about this Glee kiss which is just, as I said at the conference, it shocked my soul. This romantic Glee kiss between two teenage boys depicted on the show, popular characters, one of the most popular if not the most popular TV show that young people watch, and here they had a romantic kiss between two teenage boys, I thought, what, how many young men and boys decided right there that they’re gay?

Wow. All it takes is a kiss on Glee, and wham! Gay kids!

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David in Houston
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

Honestly, I didn’t think these people were THAT stupid. But they’ve proved me wrong. By their logic, if you show a guy and a girl kissing on TV then every gay person should suddenly turn straight. Problem solved!
— What utter morons.

homer
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

“I thought, what, how many young men and boys decided right there that they’re gay?”

It must be truly wretched to be so tormented about one’s self like Peter LaBarbera obviously is. I well remember what it was like to be a closeted homosexual, but I made a point of never spouting anti-gay garbage, since I knew even at age 20 that doing so was hypocritical. I wonder whether Peter LaBarbera will ever stop hating himself.

Soren456
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

“Promoting homosexuality.” As if. That’s like “promoting” brown skin or rainy weather. Total nonsense.

These people prove that when fact has no place in your discourse, you’ll say anything.

Timothy Kincaid
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

This romantic Glee kiss between two teenage boys depicted on the show, popular characters, one of the most popular if not the most popular TV show that young people watch, and here they had a romantic kiss between two teenage boys, I thought, what, how many young men and boys decided right there that they’re gay?

Ya know, she’s kinda right.

There is that moment in one’s youth when suddenly it all makes sense, when the light bulb goes on and you say, “oh, that’s what is going on. That’s what is right and natural and real for me.”

And I’m sure that there were many young men and boys whose hearts beat faster, whose faces flushed, whose eyes widened and who felt a strange pang that none of the thousands of opposite-sex kisses have ever inspired. I’m sure there were many young men and boys who had an aha moment and recognized right there that they’re gay.

But, unlike Harvey, I am not delusional. I recognize that this moment will come and she can’t stop it, no matter how many Glee episodes she censors.

Patrick Hogan
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

Agreed, Timothy. Many people watching the show might have finally come to the realization of what they knew all along, but had never before been able to express.

For me, that moment came when I heard a coming out story to which I could strongly relate — and it came despite years of education in Catholic schools (not exactly the most gay-friendly of places) in Kansas and Indiana (again, not exactly the most gay-friendly of places).

If simple exposure could change someone’s sexual orientation, I would be straight. As it is…not so much.

enough already
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

Well, it was a very romantic kiss.

Except, I’ve seen boys and girls on my campus engaging on exactly the same level (people can be openly affectionate here in Europe) and it didn’t put a rise in my Levi’s. Sure made me smile, though.

And that is what terrifies her.

When straight people can see two men kissing and think it’s nice even though they, personally, – how did Jake Jake Gyllenhaal put it – find it about as much fun as kissing your aunt when you’re four – then the war is over and peace will reign.

This is why they all have their knickers in a twist. There was nothing special about it – just two young guys making love, not war.

Oh, Soren, sorry, but usually, when it’s raining you can’t get your skin to brown. Or freckle, so I guess there’s something to be said for the wet spring….

KZ
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

Just four words:

Entry of the Gladiators

B John
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

Interesting that Peter watches Glee.

Peter, come out, come out whever you are.

Steve in MI
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

LaBarbera: You’re promoting homosexuality to middle school boys. Now, if that can go on in America, without consequence, then it’s over. Then we as a country are going to go straight downhill because you’re getting to the point where you are promoting perversion to boys who should be so innocent still.

Really? REALLY?!? Middle school boys should be “so innocent”? Has Peter MET any middle school boys?

I have kids in middle school. All but the most sheltered middle schoolers know about teh sex, and about teh gay. Most of them have friends or family members who are teh gay, and almost all of them have parents who have had teh sex.

Please don’t anyone take this in a Catholic priest apologist kind of way. Underage kids deserve society’s highest standard of protection. But to suggest that they can’t hear about or see gay role models because of their supposed “innocence”… well, it’s just not a reality-based viewpoint.

CPT_Doom
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

And I’m sure that there were many young men and boys whose hearts beat faster, whose faces flushed, whose eyes widened and who felt a strange pang that none of the thousands of opposite-sex kisses have ever inspired. I’m sure there were many young men and boys who had an aha moment and recognized right there that they’re gay.

For me it was a production of Fifth of July by Lanford Wilson that I saw at a summer stock theater while in high school. I knew that I was attracted to men, but in deep denial about it, sure that I was a shameful freak and that I could “fix” it if I tried.

Fifth of July has a very romantic kiss between two primary male characters, who are in a relationship. I was shocked – it was the first time I saw real gentleness and love between men like that. I was so confused by my feelings and what they meant after that I literally cried all the way home and could not even explain why.

Please don’t anyone take this in a Catholic priest apologist kind of way. Underage kids deserve society’s highest standard of protection. But to suggest that they can’t hear about or see gay role models because of their supposed “innocence”… well, it’s just not a reality-based viewpoint.

Sadly, it is not only anti-gay rightwing freaks that feel this way. I am currently estranged from my only sister and her family – who live in Massachusetts, of all places – because I had the audacity to out myself to my 11 and 13-year-old nephews, in response to a series of questions about why I wasn’t married and what kind of woman I was looking for. My sometimes stereotypically Latino brother-in-law freaked out, convinced I was trying to “recruit” my nephews, even though they knew that gay people existed. He can’t understand why I find his subsequent demand not to talk about “that” with “his children” (apparently my sister didn’t have a lot of involvement in creating them) ever again a bit offensive.

Oh well, a few steps forward a few more back.

CPT_Doom
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

Back on topic – I can easily see why Glee is such a sensative spot for LaBarbara and his ilk. We have seen gay teen characters before – on My So-Called Life and Buffy for instance – and even a kiss between gay male teens on Dawson’s Creek. Glee, however is something of a different character. For the first time outside of a gay-themed show (Queer as Folk or the L Word) we have a network program showing an actual range of LGBT characters. There are five gay, lesbian or bi characters, even though two of them are closeted. They range from sweet bi Brittany to perfect-boy Blaine to angry closeted football player Karofsky.

This range of characters – limited as it is by television conventions – is a real threat to the anti-gay movement, because one of their memes is how gay and lesbian people all share specific characteristics, and Glee shows this is not the case. Heck, even Brittany proved the anti-gay movement wrong when she refused to cheat on her boyfriend with Santana, so the whole “bisexuals are promiscuous” meme also is damaged.

Edwin
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

Talk about twq idiots running rampant. How can they actually think this is true. Some more of the religious idiots on the loose. DUMB<

Regan DuCasse
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

That they need ANY film or television references at all is SO pathetic! With the advent of REAL gay kids coming out on their own, and teaching the public that they always WERE gay, there just hasn’t been any safe place to let anyone KNOW it when THEY know it.

Big difference.
Most people can either respond to knowing by hiking up their undies and running for the hills like the cowards they are.
Or they can respond with ‘whatever’, let’s get coffee, and forget it or embrace their friend, child, sibling who trusts in their love enough to say something.

Kurt and Blaine are talented (for real), are good kids (in the storyline and real life), one is actually straight and the other actually gay (meaning another straight guy comfortable with kissing another male and sweetly) and they represent EVERYTHING that homophobes don’t want gay people or their advocates to ACTUALLY be.
In my entire life, all the gay kids I knew were ALL wonderful, interesting, talented, sweet, exasperating, fiercely brave, or incredibly foolish. Like ALL kids are SUPPOSED to be, or have the potential to be.

And whichever stereotype LaB puts in his head and wants in other people’s heads, he resents it when gay people don’t validate those stereotypes.
Indeed, his ilk thinks when there AREN’T any they can recognize, gay people are being deceptive.
Which has to be the most STUPID and reprehensibly ugly thing to even think and feel, let alone sell as a reason for anti gay public policy.

Erin
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

Besides the usual anti-gay rhetoric, the praise of patriarchy and the fact this woman is sexist against women is a good indication of just how ridiculously moronic she is.

Theo
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

It is encouraging that LaBarbera is forced to go back again and again to the same 10-12 extremists both to serve as guests on his radio show and to serve as speakers at his “truth academies”. It is telling that he can’t get anyone from FRC, FOF or any of the “family policy councils”.

Linda Harvey is on Youtube expressing the view that gay activists are to blame for anti-gay bullying and the resulting suicides. She posits that by bringing into the schoolyard the “hand grenade” of sexuality, it causes boys to become uncertain and defensive of their sexuality, which causes them to lash out at their gay peers. Starts at 1:00:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neggpBAKjwA

Naturally, since this is all made up in her mind, she offers no evidence to support it. And for it to be proven true, she would need to be able to show that there was materially less bullying in schools in conservative districts and/or in decades past when gays went unmentioned.

Pearl of the DarkAge
April 20th, 2011 | LINK

I was floored not only by the radical dogmatic view on Christianity, the closed-minded presumptuous anti-gay homophobic bigotry, but also the blatant sexist, dehumanizing of women, too!

I guess it’s true what they say. The biggest homophobes are also the tightwad assholes who think women were put on this Earth to please and serve them. I bet he’s racist, too.

Jason
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

I think most people decide that they are homosexual after they repeatedly become sexually aroused by or are sexually attracted to someone of the same sex.

I have never once decided to be aroused by a member of the opposite sex but no matter what I do I always become aroused when I see or am involved in sexually suggestive or explicit conduct with people of the opposite sex. No matter what I do I can’t stop it from happening.

I love Glee. Kurt is my favorite character but I could watch him kiss Blaine for hours and I would never become aroused sexually.

I hate to be crude but its like the right wing morons don’t understand how boners work.

jafuf
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

In the words of the Three Stooges ‘Moronica for Morons’!!!!!

CPT_Doom
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

I hate to be crude but its like the right wing morons don’t understand how boners work.

Given Peter’s reported stash of gay porn – all for “research” of course – my guess is that he knows very well how is own, um, “member” works and just believes everyone else is just like him. I have no problem believing Peter doesn’t understand the workings of a straight man’s “member.”

Richard Rush
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

I was a teenager in the late 50s / early 60s, and during that period I never saw any examples of homosexuality in media, nor in life. Yet I knew that I felt attractions ONLY to other boys (and instinctively knew that it had to be a deep secret). And then finally in 1969 I began to live a gleefully gay life.

Timothy Kincaid
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

KZ

Thank you. You made me smile.

(For those who didn’t get the allusion)

Priya Lynn
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

I still don’t get the allusion.

Richard Rush
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

I still don’t get the allusion.

I think Entry of the Gladiators is most famous as a circus march for the opening parade of performers/animals. (I didn’t get the allusion either until I clicked on Timothy’s link.)

Richard Rush
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

Perhaps this would have been a somewhat better link for Timothy to have posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQTaQaVf_7k (my apologies to all the nice clowns everywhere who just want to make people feel happy)

It’s not the best, but it will have to do until I can one with a parade of sharks.

Loony Linda and Pervy Pete swim with all the other vicious sharks in a toxic sea of magic evidence, magic reasoning, magic facts, magic truth, and magic reality. The only thing genuine about these sharks is the pain they inflict on others.

J Higgins
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

These people are heroic for getting out there and, while knowing that people like you are going to call them morons, tell it like it really is.

Priya Lynn
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

Right J, its so heroic to oppress a historically oppressed group. Next thing they can do is go beat up some puppies and kittens.

J Higgins
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

Nothing is more oppressive than the self, the sternest taskmaster there is. It is the self-reverence of homosexuality that holds people in slavery.

Shofixti
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

Why isn’t it the self-reverence of heterosexuality that holds people in slavery?

David C.
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

These people are heroic for getting out there and, while knowing that people like you are going to call them morons, tell it like it really is.—J Higgins

That’s a use of ‶heroic″ I was unfamiliar with.

Linda Harvey and Peter LaBarbera are hardly heros. They are part of the Big Lie about gay people. Their ‶heroism″ is confined to hiding behind distortions and junk science with a large dose of hypocrisy thrown in for good measure. They are part of the anti-gay industry that exists solely to sustain The Lie by promoting ignorance of gay people and their lives. They are worthy only of contempt and ridicule.

Erin
April 21st, 2011 | LINK

Let’s see: the blatant sexism of this female who apparently thinks men are to thank for the survival of every civilization and the women who bore and raised the babies were total shit. Not to mention the moronic, at this point willfully ignorant, spiteful lie that all it takes is seeing gay people on tv to make a kid gay. Yeah, it sounds to me like “moron” doesn’t even begin to capture the stupidity. Consider yourself in her club if you think she or “I watch gay porn all day long so I can *warn people about gays*” Labarbera are heroes.

AFruit4Thought
April 22nd, 2011 | LINK

By that logic… I just watched a movie about con men escaping prison. It was so cool. Thus, I’m going to go commit a felony, go to prison, and then escape in a fury of fire and destruction.

Glad that 90 minutes made me choose the rest of my life. Sweet.

Timothy Kincaid
April 22nd, 2011 | LINK

FYI,

J Higgins is
John Hughes is
boxfrog is
Dan Farrell is
krakatoa.

David C.
April 22nd, 2011 | LINK

In other words, J Higgins by any other name is a sock-puppeting troll.

Got it.

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