9 responses

  1. enough already
    May 9, 2011

    Rack up another one for the hateful Christians.
    Remind me again, please, how we are winning?

    Oh, right – Africans don’t count, neither for civil or human rights. Except for Rachel Maddow and Boxturtle, nobody has really paid any attention to this.

    Not in Europe, either.

    Awful. Just plain awful.

    And all directly the guilt of American Christians who planned and executed this.

  2. Darina
    May 9, 2011

    Where is the “post on LiveJournal” button? :) Just kidding; I already posted a link there.

    Thank you for gathering all those reports, Jim.

  3. KZ
    May 9, 2011

    “The speaker describes how the bill is based upon false premises and is not supported by science.”

    An anti-gay bill based on lies and not scientific proof? Shocking! Just shocking!!!!

  4. Shofixti
    May 9, 2011

    For those of you struggling to make out what is going on in the clip:

    This is a doctor, speaking rationally about science and health to dispell fallacies: escpecially that the bill would make criminals out of Uganda’s own Ministry of Health in relation to some of the promotion of safe sex and sexual health.

    He refutes the myth of ‘recruitment’ by homosexuals. He argues against a non-innate origin of sexuality.

    The bill would make homosexuals fearful of getting medical treatment because thier disclosures could criminalise them and this would have negative outcomes.

    There is no discussion of G-d or religion. It has more to do with cultural identity and fear of AIDS.

  5. paul canning
    May 9, 2011

    I can’t be certain but I think the speaker Jim refers to is actually Bishop Senyonjo.

    allout petition shot over 100k in <15 hours.

    HRC need to get their corporate friends with Ugandan businesses to speak out :}

  6. enough already
    May 9, 2011

    Shofixti,
    Of all the things you have said here through the last weeks, your claim that this has nothing to do with “G-D or religion” is the single most offensive statement you have ever made.

    You know the history of this disaster as well as the rest of us – you have so alluded in the past.

    I thought false witness was forbidden to Christians?

  7. Jim Burroway
    May 9, 2011

    I can’t be certain but I think the speaker Jim refers to is actually Bishop Senyonjo.

    I met Bishop Senyonjo last year and spoke to him at length. The voice on the audio clip does not sound at all like him. It may be someone connected with the Civil Society Coalition on Human Rights and Constitutional Law.

  8. Jim Burroway
    May 9, 2011

    There is no discussion of G-d or religion. It has more to do with cultural identity and fear of AIDS.

    I think that is because the speaker is speaking in opposition to the bill, and is arguing against the bill itself. That audio clip is only thirty minutes of two days of testiminy. I’m sure God and religion came up elsewhere.

  9. Shofixti
    May 9, 2011

    What Jim said. . .

    Shofixti said: For those of struggling to make out what is going on in the clip: There is no discussion of G-d or religion.

    All my sentences were in reference the first sentence. This can be understood by use of the colon ‘:’ .
    As I may use this language device again in the future, I include this explanation.

    From Wikipedia: The usage of colon varies among languages. As a rule, however, a colon informs the reader that the following proves, explains or simply provides elements of what is referred to before.

    I don’t want to be seen as going off-topic, but bearing a false witness refers to the Decalogue or ten rules for normative behaviour between Israelites. It did not mandate behaviour between Jew and gentile. This was a long time before Jesus or the advent of Christianity.

    Anyone in this day and age, Christian or not, should be capable of realising the ethical benefits of such things as truth under oath and academic honesty. Alternatively deception, slander and malice should be able to be seen as detrimental to rational pursuits. However, I would not begrudge someone who came to such conclusions having started at the beatitudes or the fruit of the spirit.

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