Brian Brown Accepts

Jim Burroway

May 29th, 2012

From the NOM Blog:

Dan — I accept and will look forward to debating you at your dining room table. As I said in my challenge to you, anytime, any place.

While I appreciate the invitation that you have extended to my wife, she will not be able to attend. She is a full-time mom with seven beautiful children and an eighth on the way.

Dan Savage invited National Organization for Marriage’s Brian Brown to a debate at Dan Savage’s dining table, with the New York Times’s Mark Oppenheimer serving as moderator. The original invitation included having Brown’s wife and Dan’s husband also at the table. A date and time will be announced later, giving Savage time to redecorate his living room and dining room for the occasion.

Mark F.

May 29th, 2012

Well, I’m glad to see this may actually happen.

Timothy Kincaid

May 29th, 2012

While I appreciate the invitation that you have extended to my wife, she will not be able to attend. She is a full-time mom with seven beautiful children and an eighth on the way.

In other words, “this is NOT a family dinner. My wife will not be there and I refuse to pretend that you and your sex partner are a real relationship.”


May 29th, 2012

@Timothy Kincaid

It does feel like Brown’s giving a middle finger to Savage. To me, it’s like he’s saying, “I have a WIFE with BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN; We can do something special called, PROCREATION.”


May 29th, 2012

Jeez, I have no love for Brown, but I think he just meant his wife is busy. And pregnant, and probably doesn’t want to schlep to Seattle . I think when they’re in a room together, they’ll both be forced to be civil, which should be very interesting. I didn’t think Brown would be man enough to accept, so good on him. I of course expect Savage to crush him, though.

Richard Rush

May 29th, 2012

The obsession with gender in qualifying human relationships became tiresome a long time ago. The overwhelming relevant aspects of relationships revolve around two people being human. Whether or not they are same-sex or opposite-sex couples is a relatively minor distinction in the overall – unless you suffer from Gender Obsession Disorder. And I think it’s a safe bet that Brian Brown suffers from G.O.D., and thus he won’t be experiencing an epiphany at Dan and his husband’s home.

Bose in St Peter MN

May 29th, 2012

“…a full-time mom with seven beautiful children and an eighth on the way…” is apparently an entirely different person from anyone who has been inspired to become a foster parent, an adoptive parent, a traditional parent of a child with special needs.


May 30th, 2012

What’s the point?

There is no way that they match on epistemological and ontological dimensions so how will a debate help anyone other than merely rehearsing those same patterns of distinction.


May 30th, 2012

Comments on the NOM-blog are eye-popping in their utter lack of class. “Jokes” abound about Brian catching an STD at Dan’s house, and one poor soul thinks they’ll be debating Dan’s “proclivities” rather than gay marriage. Hard to believe that in 2012 people would be so arrogant to think that homosexuality itself should be up for debate. I think my hopes for a civil conversation are unlikely.


May 30th, 2012

As I said elsewhere, marriage equality foes like to keep things at a certain level of abstraction. Not bringing his wife, and thus keeping both spouses off camera, makes it easier for him to talk about marriage in the abstract and to try to avoid having to acknowledge the effects that the policies and abstractiona about marriage and family he throws around would have a material effect on Dan, his husband and their son.


May 30th, 2012

Well, with seven kids and an eighth on the way, we cannot accuse Mr. Brown of being a hypocrite. He really does believe marriage is about the children. Apparently about the sex, too.

While I wish the entire family well, if this was a lower-income, working class, nonwhite traditional one man/one woman family, Republicans would be all over them for not being able to control themselves.

Timothy (TRiG)

May 30th, 2012

This I did not expect. Could be interesting. (Could also be painful.)



May 30th, 2012

Brian Brown will make sure everyone knows that his wife had to stay at home because he didn’t want to expose her to Dan Savage and Dan’s husband. The NOM followers will eat this up.


May 30th, 2012

On the menu, Crow and Humble Pie.


May 30th, 2012

Not bringing his wife, and thus keeping both spouses off camera…

Wait, are both spouses going to be kept off camera. Personally, I hope that Dan’s husband is right there by Dan’s side. After all, the fact that Brian’s spouse chose to decline the invitation does not mean that Dan’s husband has to follow suit.

Personally, I think it would make quite the statement to show Dan’s husband standing there supporting Dan while Brian finds himself having to stand alone.


May 30th, 2012

Jarred: I think that is how Brown is trying to maneuver it–to make the video about the issues and principles not the people, arguing that two against one would be unfair ganging up on him. I hope Dan doesn’t fall for it.


May 30th, 2012

Pregnant for the eighth time. Ah, yes. “The breeder defense.”


May 30th, 2012

another poster already stated it but the truth is if brian brown were a black man with all those kids or a hispanic man with all those kids let me tell you the repubs would be all about his “food stamps” and “welfare” and having more kids so the government can pay for them. but he is white so its ok.


May 31st, 2012

I have to wonder if Brown isn’t a little misogynistic; i.e. he thinks a woman’s place is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. If he succeeds in banning marriage equality forever (which won’t happen, but that is his goal), would he then go after the freedoms of women?

As to being a hypocrite, the whole thing to me smacks of someone who protests too much. “See, I have 8 kids. That proves I am straight.” There are so many layers to that comment, we could probably spend a life-time unravelling everything Brown tried to say (intentionally or otherwise) with it. I hope Savage rebuts with an invitation for the children to tag along, and an offer of a sitter during the debate.

Donny D.

May 31st, 2012

Timothy Kincaid wrote,

While I appreciate the invitation that you have extended to my wife, she will not be able to attend. She is a full-time mom with seven beautiful children and an eighth on the way.

In other words, “this is NOT a family dinner. My wife will not be there and I refuse to pretend that you and your sex partner are a real relationship.”

Timothy, I think that’s the essence what Brian Brown is communicating there.

There also seems to be an element of heterosexual gloating in there as well. As well as an attempt at a hoaky excuse, since I’m sure “Mrs. Brown” can get enough help with the kids to get away for an evening here and there. Brian Brown also manages to make his wife sound badly overworked to everyone who isn’t grossly sexist.

Also he might be acting like he’s being gallant and protecting poor little wifey-pooh from facing the evil, vicious homos in their own den.

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