15 responses

  1. Bose in St. Peter MN
    January 25, 2013

    More than enough abuse to go around here, if you ask me.

    Therapy six times a week? Kudos to any family who can swing that expense, but it begs the question of what actually was going on. Suicidal thoughts could justify intense intervention, but trying to pray or talk the gay away is anything but suicide prevention.

    Mat Staver blabs about “the counselor or doctor would have to affirm the person’s behavior as natural,” when, more likely, the clients in question aren’t “behaving” gay, they’re talking out thoughts and feelings.

    “Therapist” Duk compounds those thoughts and feelings by shouldering his clients with responsibility for saving the human race.

    Last but not least, Duk is an expert based on treating 3 clients per year. Unsuccessfully, but only because they won’t stick around for enough years of 6-times-a-week abuse.

  2. Soren456
    January 25, 2013

    Duk says: “The ones who want to get better, those are the ones able to change.”

    Uh huh. Patient privacy rules keep him from describing those successes?

  3. Steve
    January 25, 2013

    “Shut up and give me your money”

  4. StraightGrandmother
    January 25, 2013

    Brilliant concluding paragraph!

    “What you will notice is 1) Duk has been unsuccessful in trying to change the sexual orientation of his patients 2) he blames them for their failures, and 3) he wants the State of California to allow him to continue to inflict this same harm onto others — I guess in the vain hope that some day he might get it right?”

  5. Rod Roddy lookalke
    January 25, 2013

    Dr Duk? Really? Any relation to Donald?

  6. Ben in Oakland
    January 25, 2013

    Here’s something Wayne besen wrote.

    “What one first notices in Phelan’s workbook is the great irony in how the Herculean effort to not be gay ends up consuming one’s life by placing homosexuality at the very center of it. It quickly becomes apparent that such therapists can’t change attractions, as the client truly wants, so they urgently focus on keeping the individual away from potentially sexual situations and filling his or her life with busy work.”

    Three things immediately came to mind. herapy six times a week? seems to placehomosexulaity at the very center of it, as wayne says.

    I used to have a friend who used to be a major alcoholic. He got out of it through AA, which was good. But the disturbing part was the twenty years after he had last had a drink, he was still going to AA meetings twice a week like goin’ to meetin’ on sunday. I commented on it, and he said, “you never stop being an alcoholic. I could still take a drink.” TWENTY YEARS, and alcohol was still at the center of his life. Twice a week, every week.

    The other one was I think Tolstoy, writing about a club he desperately wanted to be a member of when he was a boy. The initiation into the club? You had to stand in a corner for twenty minutes and NOT think of a white bear”.

    That might be the best metaphor for Reparative therapy: a white bear. And this jerk-off a non-hunter with water pistol filled with sand.

  7. Donny D.
    January 25, 2013

    Ben in Oakland wrote,

    I used to have a friend who used to be a major alcoholic. He got out of it through AA, which was good. But the disturbing part was the twenty years after he had last had a drink, he was still going to AA meetings twice a week like goin’ to meetin’ on sunday. I commented on it, and he said, “you never stop being an alcoholic. I could still take a drink.” TWENTY YEARS, and alcohol was still at the center of his life. Twice a week, every week.

    You friend has twenty years of sobriety. If thinking and acting as he has is responsible for that, then he’s doing the right thing. Alcoholism kills MANY alcoholics.

    Being able to have sex with and/or love people of one’s own gender isn’t a progressive, ultimately fatal addiction. There’s no analogy.

  8. Ben in Oakland
    January 26, 2013

    Donny, I think you missed my point. Alcohol still ay at the center of my friends life. I don’t criticize sobriety. I think it’s a great idea and a positive good. i was criticizing the idea that nyone is just an alcoholic waiting to happen, once an addict, always an addict. growth is possible.I’ve known quite a few alcoholics who stopped drinking and stopped thinking about it, because they found something more important than alcohol. It wasn’t sobriety, it was life and love and joy.

    • Timothy Kincaid
      January 27, 2013

      I have a friend who can at times be seen at a bar with his friends with a glass in his hand. After you get to know him you find out that the glass is just soda water. He’s been sober for years.

      I think he figured it out. His problem was his own inability to drink with moderation. Not the bar, not his friends, not whether they likes to socialize with a cocktail on Sunday afternoon, not even ‘evil likkur’, just his own drinking. So he fixed the problem without having to lose the people he enjoyed.

  9. Ben in Oakland
    January 26, 2013

    Sorry, hit post by accident.

    Sobriety was the byproduct of finding more self love and something more mordant than alcohol.

    My reference was to wayne’s comment about fighting ones homosexuality by placing it at the very enter of ones existence, as six times a week therapy does. It wasn’t meant to compare being gay to an addiction. I’m sorry if my comment made it appear that that waswhat I was saying. Quite the opposite.

  10. Richard Rush
    January 26, 2013

    Regarding Ben’s comment about “the Herculean effort to not be gay ends up consuming one’s life by placing homosexuality at the very center of it,” I would carry it a bit further:

    I’ve often thought that some of the appeal of being ex-gay-for-pay is surrounding themselves with, and bonding with, other homosexuals in a guilt-free non-ostensibly sexual context. And I’ve often thought the same thing about rank-and-file don’t-wanna-be-gays who eagerly attend conferences or retreats such as Journey Into Manhood, for example.

  11. Ben in Oakland
    January 26, 2013

    Richard: ya think? Rcphen and his holding therapy couldn’t possibly be a way to hold other men publicly in a way he is shamed to do privately?

    I doubt The six times a week shtick is for the benefit of the therapee, but it sure does benefit the therapist.

    As for the therapee, his alleged “addicktion” to men is being replaced by an addiction to therapy, talking about gay stuff, over and over and over again. And the poor, poor “therapist” has to listen to that young man, talking and talking and talking about Teh Gay.

    Sweet,

  12. customartist
    January 26, 2013

    The old “Your Faith is not strong enough” arguement.

    BS

  13. Ben in Oakland
    January 27, 2013

    My point exactly, Timothy. Personal responsibility.

  14. Charles
    January 28, 2013

    Dr. Duk is stuck on stupid and is doing far more damage than good. I am sure that he has read the Hippocratic Oath. My suggestion to him is to follow it.

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