Liberty Counsel’s Mat Staver: Recognizing People’s Marriages Is Just Like Slavery, Eugenics and the Japanese Internment

Jim Burroway

June 28th, 2013

They’re still chattering. Via Right Wing Watch:

I’m very dissapointed in this decision. I think this decision represents a line that the court has crossed into illegitimacy. We’ve seen this before in its history, where it decided the Dred Scott decision, which was an illigitimate decision; the Korematsu decision which was the Japanese interment decision; the Buck v. Bell decision that says its okay to force people to be sterilized, an illegitimate decision. All of which we say were dark spots in the Court’s history. I think today’s decision falls into that same category. This decision is by five justices that cut the tether between themselves and the Constitution. They are in their own fantasy world that there is somehow an equal protection right to mame-sex marriage.

Speaking of illegitimate: Mat Staver founder of Liberty Counsel. He’s also a vice president at Liberty university and the dean of its law school, which teaches his law students should ignore the law counsel their clients to break the law in favor of “God’s Law.” And according to a RICO lawsuit filed last year connecting his law school to the Miller-Jenkins kidnapping case, his law school practices what he teaches.


June 28th, 2013

I’ll worry about Idiot Staver when the Court rules that Christians must be sterilized.

Mark F.

June 28th, 2013

I don’t agree with Staver, but there is a long tradition of civil disobedience practiced by such “nuts” as Martin Luther King, who was also a religious man. So you can’t just dismiss this idea out of hand.

David in the O.C.

June 28th, 2013

“They are in their own fantasy world that there is somehow an equal protection right to same-sex marriage.”

States define what the definition of marriage is, not the government. That’s where the equal protection clause comes in. If “first-cousins” marry in California, or two 16-year olds marry in Colorado, or a gay couple marries in Massachusetts, the government is obligated to treat ALL those legal marriages exactly the same.

It’s a pity that Mat Staver is too stupid to understand such a simple concept. Maybe he should try and find a reputable lawyer to explain it to him. (snark)


June 28th, 2013

Mark F.

The civil disobedience promoted by MLK is far different from the behavior practiced by ‘Liberty’ U.

The two biggest differences being:

1. Civil disobedience is peaceful.

Robbing a child of one of her parents and spiriting her to a foreign country is far from a peaceful act and in fact, undeniably causes much harm.

And more importantly-

2. Civil disobedience subjects itself to the consequences. This brings to the forefront the injustice of the law being broken.

Going into hiding after breaking the law, as the LU participants did in the Miller-Jenkins kidnapping, is not only cowardly and a sign that you know you’ve done something truly wrong; but is better defined as gorilla warfare rather then ‘civil’ disobedience.

I’ve seen commenter’s over at the fundamentalist Christian ‘World’ magazine use Civil Disobedience to describe LUs tactics.

Don’t believe it for a second.

Richard Rush

June 28th, 2013

One of my favorite aspects of them losing a battle (especially this one) is that they whip themselves into a hyper-frenzy of over-the-top incoherent deranged rhetoric, and thus unwittingly accelerate their descent into a dark pit of irrelevance. It can be fun to watch, as long as I remember where we are now in our quest for equality.

But the one frightening thing is that there are still people who hear their statements, shout a hearty AMEN!, and then send money. There really seems to be no limit to humans’ appetite and capacity for delusion.


June 28th, 2013

Mr. Peters tries to sound upbeat…

Jim Hlavac

June 28th, 2013

If the man spent 1/2 the time on hetero marriage problems as he does on gay stuff he might well do some good — meanwhile he’s psychotically obsessed with gay folks’ existence.


June 28th, 2013

Vice President at a university and he can’t even spell ‘disappointed’ correctly?

Liberty University sure can pick ’em.


June 29th, 2013

How serious have the anti-homosexual-marriage riots been? Have they happened in every city and town across America? Have the homosexuals been violently attacking the god-loving anti-homosexual-marriage patriots? Have the riot police had to use tear gas on those lesbians and sodomites?

Didn’t one of the anti-gay hate groups (NOM?) promise that if the activist judges got the DOMA and Prop 8 cases wrong, there would be mass violent response like France? (All I heard about was PBS Newshour commenting that the gay-haters were a no-show at the Supreme Court building, replaced with choirs.)

Regan DuCasse

June 30th, 2013

Sandhorse: You have nailed the entire definition of civil disobedience, and specifically it’s tradition among civil rights advocates in America.
In our case, there is social welfare at state and the expansion of civil rights after a legacy of harmful discrimination and DENIAL of civil rights similar to other minorities like that of blacks and Jews.
Matt Staver getting it that wrong doesn’t surprise. How he’s part of the legal body of a university and gets it that wrong certainly does.

Bradley Hall

July 4th, 2013

Let’s see..Mat Staver is heavily invested in activism to keep gay behavior from being normalized. (I think Mat Staver would agree with that characterization.)

At the same time, two parents of a middle school girl had to threaten to sue their school district, to keep Mat Staver from going to talk to their daughter at her school lunchroom. She had to be there, and therefore could not get away from him.

Mat Staver claimed that he had a right to be with those children.

Odd behavior. Very, very strange behavior for a grown man.

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