Scott Lively: The Gay Agenda Is “To Turn The Whole World Gay”

Jim Burroway

March 10th, 2009

Kasha Jacqueline has reported some more statements made by Holocaust revisionist Scott Lively at the anti-gay conference held in Uganda last weekend. That conference featured three anti-gay American activists, including Watchmen On the Walls co-founder Scott Lively, Exodus International board member Don Schmierer, and Caleb Lee Brundidge, of Richard Cohen’s International Healing Foundation.

This lastest post by Kasha at the IGLHRC web site focuses mainly on a question-and-answer session with Lively. It’s unclear to me whether this is a literal transcript or a highly detailed paraphrasing. I’ve watched Lively speak at length during multiple sessions at two other conferences. If this isn’t a transcript, then Kasha certainly did a great job at capturing Lively’s tone, manner and cadence.

On the gay movement’s tactics in Uganda and elsewhere:

They gay movement is very evil and we must stop it immediately.

You have a gay movement in Uganda that is operating at a high level, which you must bear in mind. This gay movement around the world has a handbook that they use and that is what the Ugandan gay movement is using now. You must be ready to stop this gay agenda. And don’t think that fighting the gay movement is the solution—you will be fighting a losing battle because this movement has come to stop humanity. They have a clear vision, mission and strategies. The only way to defeat them is to compete with them. Their movement is 70 years old and that’s why they don’t care about you. They know you will die soon and they will replace you and take over the nation. They have decided to recruit the youth.

You have a lot of work to do. Homosexuality is immoral and we cannot sit back and see immorality controlling nations. Homosexuality is equivalent to paedophilia in many ways. Homosexuals cannot control their sexual desires and behaviors. If all of us acted upon our desires and feelings then where would the world be? Families would break up because of adultery. People would continue to molest children, etc.

Again, Lively reinforces the charge that gays molest children as a tactic for recruitment. This, despite the evidence from experts in the field of child sexual abuse who say that gay people do not molest children at rates any different from straight people.

On the LGBT movement’s ultimate goals:

“But again why is it so important for us to stop people from becoming gay?”—a participant asked. It’s very important because the homosexual agenda is to turn the whole world gay.

Lively was asked about the World Health Organization’s scrapping of homosexuality as a mental illness. Again, he sees conspiracy:

Gay people have penetrated all international bodies to their advantage; they are the ones in all important places/positions because of their political agenda. Editors of national newspapers, TV chiefs… Remember I told you they have a very clear vision, mission and strategies, said Lively.

And finally, we cannot leave unnoticed the  veiled threat which levied against gay observers at the conference by an unnamed “facilitator”:

“They are homosexuals among us updating their networks about what we are discussing. What should we do about that?”—an angry participant asked. If they are homosexuals here, feel at home, responded a facilitator. We are not against you. We love you. But if you have been planning to get us, we are planning to get you back.

It is unclear what the facilitator would consider constituting “planning to get us,” but the response of “we are planning to get you back” must be taken seriously in a country where LGBT advocates have been forced into hiding or made to flee the country. Police sweeps, public vigilantism and extrajudicial torture and deaths were common during recent anti-gay pogroms heralded by Ugandan media with close ties to the government. Homosexuality is illegal in Uganda, and conviction can garner a life sentence.

This conference, which featured Exodus board member Don Schmierer during its first two days, has recommended an added penalty for gays and lesbians of mandatory ex-gay therapy.

Click here to see BTB’s complete coverage of recent anti-gay developments in Uganda.

Alex

March 10th, 2009

An organized, determined group of people who have infiltrated every position of power with the agenda of recruiting unsuspecting youth and controlling the world…and they even have a handbook telling them what to do.

I’m confused. Is Lively talking about gays or Christians?

Emily K

March 10th, 2009

“Can’t control their desires”??

That is indeed one of the main differnces between pedophilia and homosexuality; pedophiles have a difficult times controlling themselves. I’ve been celibate – because of not meeting anybody I want to be sexually active with, not out of moral boundaries – for a while now, and unemployment and poverty not withstanding, I have a good life. These people don’t get it. It’s about being in love with people of the same sex. Nothing more.

Kevin

March 10th, 2009

There’s a handbook? Could someone get me one? A copy of the handbook would really help me in planning everything out better. Maybe someone could make an iPhone app for it.

Jeff

March 10th, 2009

I have better things to do than “turn the whole world gay”

Where can I write to this asshole?

Liadan

March 10th, 2009

Gay people have penetrated all international bodies to their advantage

I’m sorry, I LOLed at that.

AJD

March 10th, 2009

I read this and can’t help noticing that we’ve been wrong all along in comparing homophobia to racism. Rather, it’s more like anti-Semitism, complete with lurid tales of an international conspiracy to control the world.

We can sit here and smugly mock Lively’s “homosexual agenda” remarks or feign bewilderment at why he supposedly doesn’t get the difference between gays and child molesters, but we would do well to know that such deliberate mendacity and inflammatory rhetoric is extremely dangerous — it’s the type of rhetoric that has accompanied pogroms and genocides throughout history.

I really hope that IGLHRC is sending out its press releases about this to the NY Times, USA Today, CNN, MSNBC, etc. This can’t just stay confined to the GLBT echo chamber.

Johnson

March 10th, 2009

The Whole World??? Who knew. I’ve only been hoping for just the really, really Hot people! LOL

John

March 10th, 2009

So gays are rather like the Illuminati in the fevered imaginings of folks like Lively? Interesting. I believe AJD is right: this is akin to anti-Semitism, in its irrationality if not in scope.

occono

March 10th, 2009

I can’t find this funny. People this crazy always end up physically acting on it.

Rob Lll

March 10th, 2009

AJD, I agree 100%. I’ve been hammering on the parallels between homophobia and anti-semitism for years — the rhetoric is virtually identical. IMO, it’s a much more precise analogy than racism.

Jason D

March 10th, 2009

Curses! Foiled again!

Fredy

March 10th, 2009

I can’t help but fear while reading this. This resembles the accusations that Hitler and his party made against the Jews. Agendas. World Domination. Some sort of Illuminati. It’s funny that Lively actually churns this garbage out of his mouth but won’t this turn into another genocide if left unhindered?

Brenda

March 10th, 2009

Handbook? Did any of you get a handbook when you came out? And if you did, can someone forward me a copy. So very sad.

Patrick

March 10th, 2009

On the bright side if the whole world was gay there would be no abortion. I guess we’re finding out which is the worse of the two supposed evils.

CB

March 10th, 2009

Democracy NOT Theocracy.

People like him are the true perverts. They sit and think of any type of perversion, then place it on innocent individuals. They are the ones who truly need to be investigated. Bet there are some skeletons in his ‘closet’.

Emily K

March 10th, 2009

All of you who see the parallels to anti-semitism, you are exactly right. I wrote an article on it more than a year ago for XGW, in fact.

Lynn David

March 11th, 2009

I didn’t get a handbook, but the guy I was with got a toaster-oven or maybe it was a transistor radio (yes, I’m that old).

Lively… the beam in his lying eye. But it’s been there for ages. These yahoos go around fomenting hate and getting paid for it. Is that a proper job description for an American? Lively’s pal from the Pacific NW (the black preacher, cannot remember his name) liked to claim in Estonia (or was it Latvia?) that he had the support of elements of the Bush administration. I wonder what they’ll do with Obama.

Lastly, if as Lively’s buddies Schmierer and Brundidge claim, ‘bad parenting’ is the cause of homosexuality in children – and ‘bad parenting’ is rather more common than gay people – then why do we, as Lively insists, have to recruit? Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that the ‘world view’ that the three American’s presented in Uganda is completely incoherant. But then hate clouds logical thinking….

rusty

March 11th, 2009

Lively was buds with Lon Mabon in Oregon almost two decades ago and the two of them had one goal. Stir the pot to get a paycheck. The Oregon Citizens Alliance. They were sued. and then Lively went off and got his Law degree, licked his wounds and then regrouped.

He is off again, looking for money. He makes his monies off of ‘donations and speaking fees.’

The Black Preacher you speak of is Ken Hutcherson. He lead the local charge last year against a high school for their outspoken GSA supporters. Hutcherson was called on his anti-gay comments during a high school assembly on MLK day and was ‘humiliated in front of the assembly.’ That humiliation led The HUTCH to attack the school.

Latest word on Hutch is that he is seeking medical advice and care and has posted emails that are suggesting a chemotherapy for an undisclosed illness.

Lively will continue to seek out funding sources outside of the country.

One of the upside to the downturn in the American economy is that ‘right wing fundies’ won’t have the disposalable income to throw at anti- gay endeavors.

Trooperz

March 11th, 2009

Hey Lively, here’s a good litmus to detect if your group has been infiltrated by homosexuals:

-Increased attractiveness
-Increased intelligence
-Ability to communicate clearly
-Improved ability to dress fashionably
-Generally lower rates of violence
-Lower rates of unwanted pregnancy
-Higher rates of emotional stability

By comparing these traits (along with dozens of others), I can conclusively state your group has no homosexuals.

I agree with whomever said it earlier: “Where can I send this guy an email?”

Ben in Oakland

March 11th, 2009

Regarding homosphobia and anti-semitism: When i wrote the handbook that was used statewide against the briggs initiative 30 years ago, that was a major plank of my thesis.

So, i did it first.

:)

rusty

March 11th, 2009

Scott Lively email [removed]

[Ed: Rusty, thanks for the effort but we don’t want to encourage abusive email (the likeliest result of posting this email), even for someone like Scott Lively]

grantdale

March 11th, 2009

“More than enough of the World is gay.

You, and him.

The rest are just a bonus.”

My dearestnesses sister’s response to an earlier and similar article we drew to her attention, many years ago.
——————–

Nobody can have ANY excuse to associate with Scott Lively. Particularly if they’ve been warned.

Alan Chambers — you are a gutless bastard.*

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* Jim, is Australian for ‘coward’. Coarse, but not rude. We could say it to our 92yo grandmother if need be, about the right person, and she wouldn’t bat an eyelid. But, delete if your U.S.A. sensibilities hit the red zone.

Of course, THAT would make you more of a prude than a 92yo Salvation Army grandmother in Australia … but that would be your choice.

Jim

March 11th, 2009

It never ceases to amaze me how many absolutely clueless people are in such high positions of power.
– “Vote for me!”
– “Ok, as long as you have your brain removed.”
– “Brain? What is brain?”

Attmay

March 11th, 2009

A 100% gay world. He says that like it’s somehow a bad thing.

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