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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyDecember 13th, 2009
Britain’s Daily Telegraph published a fawning interview Saturday with the Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, the head of the worldwide Anglican Communion, in which the topic of Uganda’s Anti-Homosexuality Act happened to come up ever so briefly:
“Overall, the proposed legislation is of shocking severity and I can\’t see how it could be supported by any Anglican who is committed to what the Communion has said in recent decades,” says Dr Williams. “Apart from invoking the death penalty, it makes pastoral care impossible – it seeks to turn pastors into informers.” He adds that the Anglican Church in Uganda opposes the death penalty but, tellingly, he notes that its archbishop, Henry Orombi, who boycotted the Lambeth Conference last year, “has not taken a position on this bill”.
Apart from invoking the death penalty, it’s hard to say that the Archbishop of Canterbury took much of a position either. In contrast, Saddleback Pastor Rick Warren is looking positively bold when he said, “I oppose the criminalization of homosexuality. The freedom to make moral choices is endowed by God.” Fortunately, reporter George Pitcher quickly changed the subject before things became too uncomfortable for the good Archbishop.
Click here to see BTB\’s complete coverage of the past year’s anti-gay developments in Uganda.
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Elliot in NY
December 13th, 2009
What’s that? We couldn’t hear you in the back.
gayuganda
December 14th, 2009
I loved the title to this one….
Mumbled indeed!
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MJC
December 14th, 2009
People wonder why these old stiffs are so irrelevant, but here is your proof: in the face of a clear, unequivocal, horrible, universal moral evil, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Holy See, Rick Warren and others (not that these are of equal weight, historically) have to ‘weigh their words’ and ‘speak carefully’ etc. They should all go home and REREAD THE EFFING NEW TESTAMENT, especially the Good Samaritan story. This is no time to weigh words—do the Archbishop and Pope not remember how they dragged their heels re the Nazi threat to the Jews? I am glad they said something…but as was the case then, it may be too little, too late. Warren himself must be in agony, if he has a conscience at all, about the lethal forces he has helped unleash.
darkmoonman
December 14th, 2009
Maybe, but Williams wasn’t lying through his teeth like Warren was. Warren was amongst those supporting the bill until his connection became public.
Timothy Kincaid
December 14th, 2009
MJC,
You are mistaken. Rick Warren did not weigh his words or speak carefully.
Although his response was very late, he condemned the bill in its entirety, told ministers in Uganda that it is their moral obligation to oppose this bill, and spoke against any incarceration based on sexual orientation.
darkmoonman,
Please provide support for your claim that “Warren was amongst those supporting the bill”.
I believe this to be completely false.
Guys,
Rick Warren is not a friend of our community. He is not an ally in our fight for civil equality.
But that does not give us the right or freedom to say untruthful things about him or demonize him. And BTB does not tolerate unsubstantiated slurs.
MJC
December 14th, 2009
Tim,
Point taken…Rev. Warren’s statement was unequivocal and unvacillating. I commend him for it…but presumably he was deliberating for some time before he issued it. I did not mean to demonize him or say untruthful things about him… BTB’s coverage, by the way, has been outstanding.
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