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News and commentary about the anti-gay lobbyJanuary 25th, 2010
In April of last year, Rob Tisinai prepared a video debunking many of the claims made by anti-gay activists about the consequences of marriage equality. Tisinai skillfully simplified each claim its essentials and by using easily understood graphics provided visual clarity to reveal the lies.
Tisinai has now taken the same approach to the false connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. Using data similar to that in Box Turtle Bulletin’s report Are Gays A Threat To Our Children?, Tisinai shows that there is a threat to the safety of children and that threat is fed by false assumptions and the political demonization of gay men.
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Regan DuCasse
January 25th, 2010
I’m so PROUD of my friend Rob!
One of the best people I know. He does his research, knows what he’s talking about.
And he will defend someone’s honor in a heartbeat.
If you ever have an opportunity to meet him, do it.
Regan DuCasse
January 25th, 2010
This is what I tried to point out over at TownHall, the FRC and FOTF.
I gave my credentials and study, and they weren’t having any of it. It didn’t matter that I thought that it was GOOD NEWS that gay people WEREN’T the reprobates and threats the anti gay want to believe.
You would think people would be happy and MOVE ON, to more pressing matters or at the very least, consult with someone in law enforcement who was well informed on who are the most dangerous out there.
Rob is absolutely right, the obsession with demonizing gay people (gay men in particular) is overshadowing the need to ally gay AND straight adults committed to protecting children and society at large from violence and abuse.
Instead of my background being utilized as a way to narrow focus and find like minded individuals in finding the truth, and in being a part of active community service.
I was attacked, my character assassinated and my credibility turned inside out.
I’ve never experienced that, and wasn’t sure what to do.
I have seen someone’s hate so consume them, they took it out on their own innocent child.
So tragically, Rob is right.
A committed hater (whatever the target of it), couldn’t care less about children, their safety or happiness.
Ben in Oakland
January 25th, 2010
As i have often said:
why is it that a man who molests girls is a child molester, and a man who molests boys is gay?
50% of ALL molestations are done by the father, step father, or father surrogate– men who would be defined as heterosexual in terms of their interests and experience.
All about power and access.
Priya Lynn
January 25th, 2010
Concise and well explaned.
Tina
January 25th, 2010
great job
Chris McCoy
January 25th, 2010
Ben in Oakland said:
For the same reason that many straight men would cheer on two girls kissing in front of him, but would instantly turn into a raving lunatic if it were two guys instead.
For the same reason that a 16 yr old girl who had sex with 20 yr old man was molested/sexually abused, but a 16 yr old boy who had sex with an older woman (no matter what age) might as well be paraded down Main Street “cuz he’s a real man now”.
For the same reason that sexually active girls are whores, but sexually active boys are “sowing their oats” or dismissed because “boys will be boys”.
For the same reason that there persists the idea that men can never be raped, because if his dick was hard, it means he really wanted it anyway.
For the same reason that, whenever the topic of gay sex comes up, the straights always ask “Who’s the man?” Which, if you thought it was insulting to gay men, try asking that to lesbians…
For the same reason that showing female breasts in a movie is rated R, but showing a flacid penis is rated X.
For the same reason that, on the moral spectrum, the molestation of opposite sex children actually ranks as Less Evil than male on male sex, no matter what the age.
Richard Rush
January 25th, 2010
For heterosexuals sitting securely within the majority power structure it doesn’t matter if they are responsible for 1% or 100% of child molestations. Their rights and privileges would never be threatened. We, on the other hand, as a group are required to demonstrate impeccable qualifications before being granted equal rights.
While my 28-year adult relationship does not qualify for a marriage license in most of the US, a heterosexual registered sex offender and a serial-breeding crack-whore would fully qualify. The double standard is sickening.
Ben in Oakland
January 25th, 2010
Chris: I actually knew the answer to my question. Obviously, it isn’t about any real concern about molestation, as richard indicated..
Chris McCoy
January 25th, 2010
Ben in Oakland said:
I know. Hanging the ole lampshade.
This particular myth is one of my personal pet peeves. Gets me on my soapbox too easily.
Ray
January 25th, 2010
People!!!
Please join me in thanking Rob Tisinai for CAPTIONING this video.
I’m deaf and I KNOW this video is the FIRST IN HISTORY on a gay issue to be captioned. I’ll go further. It’s only the SECOND internet-based video I’ve ever seen in many years on the internet. The first was a demonstration of captioned video done by Goggle. Rob took Google’s technology from that video and captioned this one. So, as far as I know, Rob’s captioning work on this video is the FIRST IN WORLD HISTORY on a gay issue, and among the first on ANY political or social issue.
I’ve been following him around today trying to thank him on every site I find this video.
I cannot tell you what a great gift this is. I cry over it every time I try to write about it.
Thank you again, Rob. I ask all of you to please request that videos on the internet be captioned.
This is truly a very emotional and important moment for me.
TampaZeke
January 25th, 2010
Ray, thanks for bringing this to our attention. It’s something that is very important but I doubt most hearing people ever think twice about it. I find it astonishing that there are so few captioned videos out there. We really should raise this issue every chance we get. I will make it a point to request captioning (in the comments section) for every YouTube video I watch from now on.
Rob Tisinai
January 25th, 2010
I have to say I didn’t caption the video until Ray brought up on a thread I was following. And then it turned out to be so incredibly easy that I’m embarrassed I hadn’t done it before. Seriously, youtube has made it as easy as loading a document to the website; all the rest is automated.
Much thanks to Ray for his meta-activism.
Jim Burroway
January 25th, 2010
Ray,
Not to take away from Rob’s efforts, but our video of Scott Lively’s Nuclear Bomb was captioned as well, along with two others we posted since then.
I’ve found that captioning isn’t always as easy as uploading a text file and letting YouTube automate it. It doesn’t work unless you have relatively pristine audio. Then it works quite well.
But if you don’t have pristine audio like in this one, it ended up taking a couple of extra hours getting it all worked out.
Kudos to Rob for captioning his video, and I will try to caption ours as well as time permits.
Annette W
January 26th, 2010
Wonderful video, I’ll share it. Something is bothering me though and has for many, many years. I came out as lesbian nearly 30 years ago and back then I would march in Pride Parade every year.
One year, I was a bit too excited and walked ahead of my friends. I went faster and faster and then, looking around, I suddenly realized I was marching right in front of the NAMBLA section.
Why was NAMBLA ever a part of our community? The fact that it still is pretty much destroys our credibility on this issue. NAMBLA never should have been part of the LGBT rights movemnet and should be exiled from it now.
Can any one explain to me why NAMBLA was embraced as part of our movement? Can any one explain how we can make that blight, that stain go away?
Please, don’t try to sugar coat it and say that NAMBLA is actually a group of pederasts (which is only slightly acceptable). They are straight up pedophiles and claim to anyone who will listen that they are gay. It’s horrible and distressing. I’ve had a hard enough time convincing my mother that I’m a lesbian because I’m a lesbian, not because I was abused by my pedophile grandfather. NAMBLA is hideous and wrong and should be ruthlessly excised from the LGBT rights movement.
Timothy Kincaid
January 26th, 2010
Annette,
Thirty years ago our community was so new as a community that we were inclined to support anyone – especially those who were unconventional – and we didn’t really know what NAMBLA was about. At that time their public claim was about lowering legal age to something below 18, an idea that wasn’t seen as molestation at the time.
But many years ago we figured out who they were and they were banished from our community. They were not allowed to march in parades, join collective groups and if their name came up our community denounced them fully. Even before they were officially and permanently banned (propably about 20 years ago) they were boo’ed and harrassed at pride events and they have been seen as something negative for even longer.
I think the organization still exists as a website somewhere. But that organization is not and never again will be part of the LGBT community. It has long since been ruthlessly exicised.
Annette W
January 26th, 2010
Thank you for your response Timothy. I suppose the Pride Parade I mentioned in my last post was in 1990, 1991 so close enough to 20 years ago. Plus, it was in lovely Durham North Carolina which made it even weirder. I haven’t been to a Pride Parade in many years though so I wouldn’t know if it’s actually free of NAMBLA or not.
Ray
January 26th, 2010
Jim, thank you for pointing that out. Since captioning is virtually non-existent, and since there is a variation in formats that don’t indicate that a video is captioned (for example Lively’s “Bomb” video) I just plain gave up clicking on the video to see if it was captioned.
I’ve clicked hundreds and hundreds of video to see if they were captioned and until yesterday I never saw one. I’m absolutely certain I read the “Bomb” story but simply relied on the text story because I had never found a captioned video. After you’ve looked a gazillion times, you just decide it’s better to suffer in silence.
I can’t tell you how great it is to be able to be a part of the conversation AS IT IS HAPPENING. When popular films are all the rage and everyone is talking about them, I have to wait for the DVD and by the time I get it, the film is old hat and nobody cares to talk about it any more. So having access to the video on a topic that is hot and current is a GIFT BEYOND MEASURE. It’s so stirring and I’ve waited soooooo long for it to happen, experienced so much frustration, even anger, I just weep every time I start writing about this great gift. It’s sort of reminds me of the day I got married. After struggling so long to get to that day, worrying that my elderly husband was going to die before we could say our vows, when we were finally able to marry June 17, 2008, I just cried for days. It was happiness realized after a long, hard journey.
Thanks you so much, Jim. I credit you and Timothy with my being sane and not feeling alone and left behind in the world. You speak TO me and FOR me and you are in my heart every minute of every day.
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