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  1. Ben in Oakland
    September 26, 2013

    Seeking testimonials that it “works”? I thought there were 27 rounded up to the nearest 100,000, or even zillions, of people who had left the “lifestyle”! They have first hand experience at changing people. They said so!

    Apparently, the first hand doesn’t know what the last hand is doing.

    Do they really not have testimonials out the wazoo? Were the people they helped so ungrateful for the help? Or are they just so stupid that it never occurred to them that someday someone might want to see some proof, and not just the same 27 paid shills?

  2. Michael C
    September 26, 2013

    Dear Mr., Mrs., or Ms. Ex-Gay Counselor, Please allow me to introduce to you my good friend, Science.

    With the aid of my good friend, you need not rely solely on anecdotal evidence! By merely utilizing techniques already thoroughly vetted, you have the opportunity to quash the doubts of even the most emphatic of adversaries.

    What causes your pause? Why do you not rely on my good friend’s trusted processes? If you have truth on your side, Science will only aid you in your “medical” pursuits.

  3. Timothy Kincaid
    September 26, 2013

    They have a problem.

    You can get testimonials aplenty for those who have been “changed by the transforming power of Jesus Christ”.

    Devout believers, well, believe. Devoutly. And intense faith has the power to convince one that what one very much wants to be true, and is bound by faith to see as being true, really does appear to be true.

    For a while, anyway.

    But Jonah and People Can Change are not based on Christian devotion. One is Jewish and the other secular and neither is really heavy into the miraculous.

    So it’s going to be much more difficult for them. Sure they have those who want to be changed, even feel like they are in the process of change, and those who enjoy the retreats and counseling and whose lives are more stable.

    But they have the same problem Exodus had, without the help of sincere self-delusion and party-line belief.

  4. bill johnson
    September 26, 2013

    So what they really need are accounts from people who have gone through these programs, have changed, and are willing to personally identify with that change. That’s what they need but look at how he first opens the door to anonymous testimonials, which are completely worthless as proof. I mean for all we know if there are 10 anonymous testimonials submitted all 10 of those could have been written by Rich Wyler himself. Plus testimonials that are supposed to say “look at how great this thing is, I’m so glad I did it” doesn’t really have the same effect when the person doesn’t even want to associate their name with it.

    Next Rich Wyler opens the door to testimonials from people who haven’t experienced any change yet but are happy with the program thus far, again completely useless for trying to demonstrate that they can deliver change to their clients.

    So really this says a lot about his lack of faith that they will be able to find people who have experienced change, and in fact he has so little faith in that happening that he has to open the door to anonymous reports, or people who haven’t even experienced any change yet.

    That’s the problem with ex-gays, every time they set out to prove that they have “many” who have experienced change they end up demonstrating the exact opposite.

  5. Neon Genesis
    September 26, 2013

    Is it just me or does the phrase “non-sexual same gender bonding” come across as protesting too loudly?

  6. TampaZeke
    September 26, 2013

    Bill Johnson just got a cover-all BINGO!

    Well said!

  7. Timothy Kincaid
    September 27, 2013

    Next Rich Wyler opens the door to testimonials from people who haven’t experienced any change yet but are happy with the program thus far, again completely useless for trying to demonstrate that they can deliver change to their clients.

    I love my new cake and french fries diet. I haven’t lost any weight on it, but I’ve had a positive experience over all.

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