Scott Lively Admits “Love The Sinner/Hate The Sin” Was Just A Ruse

Jim Burroway

September 24th, 2011

Dropping the "Love the Sinner" line after discovering nobody believes him anyway.

Holocaust revisionist and two-time winner of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s hate group designation Scott Lively wrote in World Net Daily yesterday that the Culture War against gay people is “nearly lost” — and it’s all because “Christians” were sleeping:

Many Christians are only now awakening to the seriousness of the threat to our society posed by the homosexual movement. But, unfortunately for us all, it is only the sounding of the victory trumpets by “gay” activists that has stirred Christians from their slumber. The watchman’s walls have been broken and breached, the village is in flames, and triumphal “gay” culture warriors are leading a long string of young prisoners by their necks into the woods. Most disturbingly, many of the captives, including some of the children of these still sleepy-eyed Christian parents, seem happy to go.

I have long warned that the homosexuals agenda is not about tolerance but control. It started, of course, with a plea for tolerance, but then immediately shifted to a demand for acceptance and in due time to celebration of all things “gay.”

Lively, whose book, The Pink Swastika, fabricates the discredited argument that Nazism was, at its very core, a homosexual movement and that violent fascism inevitably follows whenever gays gain a modicum of protection and equality under the law, laments the passing of the days when teachers weren’t allowed to be gay:

I’m old enough to remember the debate about whether homosexuals should be allowed to be teachers at all, let alone allowed to punish students for disagreeing with the class-time advocacy of their sexual lifestyle. I remember the protestations from the pro-homosexual side, that “gays and lesbians just want the right to be left alone. They would NEVER interject their private lives into the classroom.” They all lied, and we believed them, and now our children and grandchildren are being forced to celebrate “gay” culture under penalty of law.

That is the end game for the “gays.” The final stage of their agenda, which has always been about taking control of things, is the power to punish dissent: to silence or crush their detractors. They only have this level of control in a few places yet, but they are moving fast to achieve it everywhere, and the momentum is on their side. And wherever they have it, they use it.

Lively also admits that “loving the sinner and hating this sin” was just a ruse all along, and it’s one that he now recognizes that we can all see right through it:

I’m not going to add here how much I really love homosexuals and just hate their sin. As a question of public policy it really shouldn’t matter what I think about the perpetrators, just whether I am telling the truth about their agenda. I don’t want to reinforce the ridiculous assumption that Christians need to offer a disclaimer to prove they aren’t haters. It wouldn’t mitigate their hostility toward me for saying it anyhow. Trust me.

Of course, Lively’s use of “love the sinner/hate the sin” has been nothing but an empty aphorism. In 2007, Lively spoke at a Watchmen On the Walls conference in Latvia, where he taught his audience to say “live the sinner but hate the sin” as a very specific battlefield tactic:

In America, the Christians have chosen a phrase that explains what we believe. And you may have heard this phrase. “We love the sinner, but hate the sin.” Amen? Okay. Say that with me. “We love the sinner, but hate the sin.” That must be your phrase because that will protect you from being misrepresented. And it will bring you in harmony with Christians around the world.

… You have to understand how this battle works. We follow the God of truth. They Holy Spirit, who is called the Spirit of Truth, lives inside of us. But our adversaries follow the father of lies. Scripture calls him the “father of lies.” They can’t tell the truth, and they to tell the truth because they don’t want people to listen to what we have to say. But we can’t say anything that would give them proof that what they teach is right… So we must be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. We won’t stop telling the truth, and they won’t stop telling the lies. But this is a war.

Scott Lively’s Abiding Truth Ministries has been on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s very short list of  anti-gay hate groups for a few years now.  Not only that but Lively is co-founder of Watchmen On the Walls, another identified hate group, and he has worked with Massachusetts-based MassResistance, yet another identified hate groups. In October, he will speak at a banquet for Peter LaBarbera’s Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, which is also listed in the SPLC’s very short list. In 2009, he unleashed what he called his “Nuclear Bomb” at an anti-gay conference in Kampala, Uganda, which sparked yet another round of anti-gay vigilantism and violence, culminating in the introduction of the draconian Anti-Homosexuality Bill in that nation’s Parliament.


September 24th, 2011

Thank you for the quote marks around “Christian;” the notion put forth by his side and accepted by far too many that Christianity requires being anti-gay is, to some of us, a constantly-rubbed sore spot that never grows a callus.


September 24th, 2011

Speaking as someone who was raised Christian and was a Christian for most of my life, I have yet to see much that actually fits the bill for Christian behavior from Mr. Lively.

I recieved a majority of the basic theological education that I have in the 1980’s when AIDS was constantly in the news, and I don’t recall being taught that having a creepy obsession with other people’s sexual behavior was something that was even considered an acceptable behavior itself. I was (being a kid at the time) taught to avoid people that acted like that. Likewise, I was taught that lying is bad, generally, and usually more trouble than it’s worth…and that somebody who lies a lot should likewise be avoided.

I was in fact taught that such things as sex were an individual’s private business and certainly not something to be talked about in front of a Christian audience by a Christian Pastor of any sort. (Basically, nobody’s business but your doctor’s or when you’re old enough to get married…your spouse’s and your’s.)

Scott Lively is in my opinion a liar and a pervert, and I think it’s rather telling that he had a sex offender working for him in a place that was aimed at outreach to teens.

There’s something not right about this guy on multiple levels, how the hell do so many Christians (or “Christians” for that matter) not pick up on such things??

enough already

September 24th, 2011

I suspect the appeal of this man, and others like him (NOM’s revolving door of directors comes to mind) is really quite simple: If I focus on hating gays, then I needn’t trouble myself with all the really tough aspects of being a righteous Christian.

When one considers that this man, alone, is responsible for the continued attempts to legislate genocide in Africa, it places the strength of the anti-gay movement in America into perspective. We are up against truly powerful and highly committed enemies, people like Lively who truly want us dead.


September 24th, 2011

I think the reason they’ve focused so much on Africa (Uganda especially) is because they know their overall agenda (which goes far beyond simply eliminating gay people) would not succeed in America or most other developed countries…and attempting to implemement it might actually overplay their hand and/or get them prosecuted. I also think they are using Africa as a laboratory to see what they can get away with. It’s not a coincidence that one of the things that stopped the Anti-homosexuality Bill was threats to cut off aid.

These kind of Christians…and the politicians they work with…are obsessed with money.

I’ve actually heard some Pentecostal Christians say they believe Africa is much more Christian than America.

I guess they must not be reading from the same Bible that I had to, which said thou shalt not kill. I’m pretty sure that also covers inducing others to kill on your behalf.


September 25th, 2011

Until such time as the “real” Christians publicly and continuously oppose these “non-real” Christians, then the “real” Christians are complicit at best.


September 25th, 2011

There are real Christians on all sides of this.

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